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Did Rocky rape Adrian?

Posted on 7/16/20 at 6:54 pm
Posted by BabyTac
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 6:54 pm
After the first date....which Pauly forced her to go on... she tries to leave Rocky’s place several times until he traps her against the door, she says no several times, and he forces himself on her?

Was he just being an alpha or was he out of line?

Does this fly in 2020?
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 7:02 pm
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:01 pm to
Wtf
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:01 pm to
Posted by partywiththelombardi
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:02 pm to
It kinda reminds me of baby it is cold outside

the woman is trying to uphold social standards and in this case the woman is extremely awkward and has many insecurities about herself which come out later when she fights Paulie

I dont think the scene would be allowed today for reasons but I never saw it as a me too moment. Rocky was being direct but I dont think he crossed any real bounds. Most of her objections were when he was taking off her glasses and beanie which I think she used like a mask to hide

Rocky took that barrier away from her and then starting complimenting her which she wasnt used to and slowly over the course of their relationship helped her rebuild her self esteem
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:12 pm to
She was a shy introvert ugly duckling.

She was saying no, but her eyes were saying yes.

So once Rocky took off those glasses, she became another woman.

This awakening sexuality also happened in Not Another Teen Movie when Janie Briggs took off her glasses and realized she was now a woman.

Before:

Potential rape victim from the victim's perspective.

Glasses off:



Consensual
Posted by partywiththelombardi
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:17 pm to
After further review the call on the field stands

Adrian was DTF

Rocky will not be charged a timeout and will not be cancelled.
Posted by Bluefin
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:23 pm to
Paulie basically told Rocky that she had to get the D, no matter what.

Rocky’s just a team player.
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:44 pm to
Movies are not the real world and we shouldn't always ascribe multiple layers of motivation to fictional characters.

Rocky is a movie. In a movie, a character like Adrian can be caught between simultaneously overpowering romantic desire and fear of human interaction. In a movie, a character like Rocky can recognize that and push her to prioritize her feelings of romantic desire over her other thoughts and feelings. Both characters can feel pleasure and relief with the complications resolved.

In real life, a situation like that would never be so 2-dimensional.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:52 pm to
No, but Louis Skolnik and Farmer Ted a re fricking rapists.

And Jordan from Real Genius has a statutory charge coming.
Posted by Triple Bogey
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:02 pm to
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Bench McElroy


that’s an extremely well placed gif.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
38014 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:07 pm to
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No, but Louis Skolnik and Farmer Ted a re fricking rapists.




Surprised that has never gotten more play from outraged people.

Not only does the entire fraternity of nerds put secret cameras in the sorority where they violate their privacy all day long watching them nude.

But Louis then disguises himself to pretend to be the boyfriend to rape the beauty queen and then afterwards says basically got you! What a prank Louis.

Farmer Ted deserves the benefit of the doubt, he was on birth control pills.
Posted by chinese58
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:09 pm to
Everyone be honest. This is how dating went at some point in the relationship. And if you got advise from older guys, they always said, "If you don't try on the first date, you'll never have success there. I'm not saying you had to have sex on the first date, but you had to let her know you were interested in doing that.

I'm 61, and that's the way it was when I was a teenager through my 20's. With the #MeToo movement going on,I've talked with my 85 year old mother about it. She said that's the way it was between men and women when she was that age too.

If it's wrong now, then I feel sorry for people. At least it's an honest approach.

Posted by LuckyTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:58 pm to
quote:

She was saying no, but her eyes were saying yes. So once Rocky took off those glasses, she became another woman.




Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49076 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 9:10 pm to
Rocky was a horrible human being, especially with how he kept Paulie down all those years
Posted by partywiththelombardi
Member since May 2012
11653 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 9:17 pm to
Paulie proved to be useless and undependable.

Rocky protected Paulie from himself. If he had linked Paulie with Gazzo how long would it have taken for Paulie to mess up and do or say the wrong thing before Gazzo retaliates and or ends Paulie?
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49076 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 9:36 pm to
quote:

Paulie proved to be useless and undependable.

Rocky protected Paulie from himself.


The only problem I ever had with Rocky is how bad he always Kept Paulie down. And he always discarded that notion because the truth was the only opponent that he knew he could not beat.

Paulie always went out of his way to help Rocky have a life. Even introduced him to a girl to help him lose his virginity, helped him find honest work, gave him food, invited him to holidays and gave him friendship when no one wanted to know him. He helped him train when he was just a loser..but he was still good enough for Paulie. He then pays his kindness and friendship back by desecrating the innocence of Paulie's baby sister. But, unlike Tony Montana..Paulie let's it go. He can find it in him to forgive this man. He wants to see good in Robert Balboa.

Then while under Paulie's guidance, Rocky gets a shot. Rocky makes it big. Thats when all the leeches come. Rocky gets lost in the fame, he forgets who he is and where he came from. Keeps Paulie around to rub his success in his face, which in turn fuels Paul's alcoholism to hide his pain of such betrayal. He knows that he should have known from that very moment, in which he was made to get out of the camera shot for television coverage of the first fight, where he allowed them to shoot..before he had even made it. (That was Paulie's meat rocky was beating btw...and guess who's check that came out of?)

Rocky then blows all his money after that first fight and taste of success, and Paulie is there to help him save face. He takes over his car payments and does his hardest to help him find work. He then talks some sense into his sister and pushes rocky to his now second chance..and sees it a cold living room as rocky felt he shouldnt be on television. He was at home, doing what rocky should have been doing.

Rocky then uses his fame to glad-hand and take Paulie's friends away from him. People barely recognize him in places hes been coming for decades. More of Rocky's torture, further isolating him.

Now as he reaches his lowest point he finds himself in jail..Rocky comes alone and then in cruel words, provokes him to a fight in a parking lot (after discarding the fake Rolex he gave him "never kept good time"), but quickly realizes Paulie can hit harder than anyone hes faced..so he plays it down and ends it fast before he gets really hurt. As he is broken emotionally..Rocky then makes him beg for a job. And even after doing this..he still defends rocky from Thunderlips, distracting him by giving up his own body and well being, only then causing rocky to get the upper hand.

Look back in his corner. Who was always there when Mick wasnt? If rocky would have not been so arrogant..if he had listened to and followed Paulie's gameplan, and did exactly what paulie said, he would have never lost his belt to lang. At times..I think he threw it on purpose just to make Paulie look bad. He then, knowing Paulie's level of inebriation..attempts to drown Paulie while training at a pool for a champisonship rematch. (That he clearly won easily when it wasnt "Just Paulie giving advice")

Paulie stands up to communism on american tv, and then goes to russia and to be on world television to help END it.

Rocky then blames Paulie for losing his fortune. Paulie allows himself to be used as a scapegoat. Rocky then desperately needs and wants the spotlight and fortune back and lives vicariously through another man. Rocky again forgets those closest to him..a dismayed Paulie steps in and begins training and spending more time with his nephew who has been having a horrible adjustment. Soon, Rocky's jealousy quickly ruins this new relationship and is challenged to a fight in a street by the new champion. Rocky only accepts the challenge after the new champion hurts his fist against Paulie's body. Rocky takes advantage, and ruins a young man's promising career.
Posted by partywiththelombardi
Member since May 2012
11653 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 9:45 pm to
quote:

SEClint
Posted by Jack Daniel
Gold member
Member since Feb 2013
27313 posts
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:06 am to
So your mom was dtf on the first date?
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:12 am to
quote:

Rocky was being direct but I dont think he crossed any real bounds.


She was trying to leave and he was blocking the door. A professional boxer vs a small, meek woman.
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/17/20 at 10:04 am to
quote:

She was saying no, but her eyes were saying yes.


I get that this was the context, but it took a good actress to pull it off. It could have easily become very "rape-like" if she hadn't.

Still, this works in the movies. Not something I imagine would work as a defense in court.
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