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re: House of David
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:09 am to LittleJerrySeinfield
Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:09 am to LittleJerrySeinfield
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I mean, the story of David is compelling enough, but they're trying to make this like it's Game of Thrones.
As an aside, it is odd how we look back at early times and tend to assume things were simple, basic, etc. Human beings + power and greed always equals crazy bullshite.
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Posted on 3/30/25 at 7:30 pm to Havoc
I’m enjoying it with the wife. Swords and giants and shite. But we’re on episode 7 and they are blatantly riffing off of the Two Towers.
AI had to have written this.
AI had to have written this.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:29 am to meeple
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They got David wrong from the outset. They made him an illegitimate child.
This isn’t a foreign concept. Many Jews took Psalm 51:5 literally. Couple that with David not being considered initially as “a son” when Samuel first arrived to anoint him and the fact David was a shepherd in the first place (lowly job usually reserved for small boys or girls) and there were definitely discussions about this among Rabbis
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:26 pm to theunknownknight
The final episode dropped today, and it's one of my favorite hours of television in a long time. Even though you know what's coming they do a good job of building up to it.
Thoughts on the series:
- The portrayal of Saul is fantastic and makes all his bipolar behavior in the Bible make sense. The role is wonderfully acted.
- The extra narrative the show writers have injected mostly works and fleshes out the motivations of characters like Johnathan, Saul, Samuel and even Goliath in a helpful way.
- David is a background character for most of this season but he emerges nicely in the final episode. The moment where he explains his confidence in facing Goliath to Johnathan is a very strong scene. That scene really brings to life how Johnathan could understand that David was going to replace his family on the throne and still admire him.
- I wish the Philistines had been portrayed as more "alien". They seem like Hebrews with pointy caps.
Good series and I was very disappointed when I reached the end of this season. I hope they get the green light to continue it.
Thoughts on the series:
- The portrayal of Saul is fantastic and makes all his bipolar behavior in the Bible make sense. The role is wonderfully acted.
- The extra narrative the show writers have injected mostly works and fleshes out the motivations of characters like Johnathan, Saul, Samuel and even Goliath in a helpful way.
- David is a background character for most of this season but he emerges nicely in the final episode. The moment where he explains his confidence in facing Goliath to Johnathan is a very strong scene. That scene really brings to life how Johnathan could understand that David was going to replace his family on the throne and still admire him.
- I wish the Philistines had been portrayed as more "alien". They seem like Hebrews with pointy caps.
Good series and I was very disappointed when I reached the end of this season. I hope they get the green light to continue it.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:21 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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Production-wise, it's well done, but I guess Amazon just can't help themselves. Having David's mother, who is never mentioned in the Bible, sascrifice herself to save him from the lion he eventually kills. I mean, c'mon.
For the purpose of having a show, the writers have to throw in storylines to fill in gaps. I mean there are so many throw away sentences in the Bible that our imaginations run wild on when we read them.
The first episode was straight out of 1 Samuel 15, to the point where they used biblical dialogue between Samuel and Saul almost word for word.
But then if ending with David’s confrontation vs Goliath, you’re going to have to imagine what these interactions and storylines were like to fill about 5-6 episodes or else the show could’ve just been a movie.
I’m ok with it. They’ve consulted not only the Bible but also historical Jewish texts and numerous scholars to try and fill in the gaps on these “off-Bible” storylines that don’t go into detail.
Was there ever a passage mentioning Eliab and David getting ambushed at that Philistine outpost, Eliab going Aragorn mode on those Philistines, and David dragging a wounded Eliab back home? No, but that gave us a picture into why Eliab was considered first to anoint by Samuel. Maybe he was a freaking bad arse, the Bible mentions him as being chiseled and good looking. But Samuel was told by God it ain’t about that, it’s about the heart. And that sequence showed David’s heart as well.
It’d be a very two dimensional show if they followed scripture to the T.
I’m enjoying it immensely. I’m just glad Biblical epics are getting the production values they deserve. The CGI on that Lion alone was 10x better than the Mtn Lion in 1923, and 1923 has like one of the highest budgets in TV history.
Can’t wait to knock out a couple more episodes tonight
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:44 pm to Frac the world
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But then if ending with David’s confrontation vs Goliath, you’re going to have to imagine what these interactions and storylines were like to fill about 5-6 episodes or else the show could’ve just been a movie.
I'm certain that people generally read or believe events unfolded in a particular manner. For me, the biblical David was utterly convinced he would defeat Goliath, as though no other result was conceivable, almost like bringing a gun to a knife fight. Yet, in the show they emphasize David is afraid, and that just doesn’t represent the way I have always read and interpreted the story.
I also understand that they need to add elements to flesh out the show, but with so few solid details available, I don’t see why they’d alter things that are explicitly written, like the scene where he tries on and then discards Saul’s armor.
I did enjoy the show, don’t misunderstand me, but at times I find myself wishing I could be a fly on the wall, hearing the rationale and thought process behind some of the choices they made to satisfy my own curiosity.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:57 pm to cssamerican
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Yet, in the show they emphasize David is afraid, and that just doesn’t represent the way I have always read and interpreted
What a mess this show is. David was anything but afraid. It was the army that was terrified. David was confident and told Goliath to his face that God would deliver him to him and he’d cut off his head.
And more…
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33 Saul replied, “You are not able to go out against this Philistine and fight him; you are only a young man, and he has been a warrior from his youth.” 34 But David said to Saul, “Your servant has been keeping his father’s sheep. When a lion or a bear came and carried off a sheep from the flock, 35 I went after it, struck it and rescued the sheep from its mouth. When it turned on me, I seized it by its hair, struck it and killed it. 36 Your servant has killed both the lion and the bear; this uncircumcised Philistine will be like one of them, because he has defied the armies of the living God. 37 The Lord who rescued me from the paw of the lion and the paw of the bear will rescue me from the hand of this Philistine.”
He cut off his head, placed his weapons on his own tent and brought his head to the king.
Not to mention he delivered 200 Philistine foreskins to win the hand of a woman in marriage, to the king’s dismay.
David was a fierce warrior and a man after God’s heart.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:40 pm to WONTONGO
Really good!!!
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:48 am to AUgryphon
Season two production is underway. No word when it’s dropped.
I read that Amazon had some unexpected success with House of David and the show only trails Reacher in views.
I read that Amazon had some unexpected success with House of David and the show only trails Reacher in views.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 10:24 am to BluegrassCardinal
Glad to hear it should continue. Makes me wonder how they will plan the seasons out. I suspect the next season will just cover his rise in Saul's service and end with him running off to the wilderness fearing for his life. I wonder if they will eventually change actors for David to make him less boyish.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 1:35 pm to AUgryphon
The conflict between King Saul and David is what I look forward to, and how Johnathan maintains his friendship towards David.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 1:53 pm to meeple
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They got David wrong from the outset. They made him an illegitimate child.
Psalms 51:5- Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
and in sin did my mother conceive me.
It's not out of the realm of possibility according to this verse.
In my opinion, there were some liberties taken with the story but the overall message was good. Is there anything in the TV adaptation that will cause a person stumble with their walk in Christ and fall away, I don't think so. The Chosen is similar to this, they don't make any huge egregious accusations or make Jesus and his disciples look like a fool or portray them in a manner in which will cause someone to stumble or not come to know Christ.
Now if they made Jesus or Davis out to be some kind of wimp or someone who is completely contrary to their character, then I would have a huge problem, but overall, In my opinion, they aren't terrible and are worth the watch.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 3:02 pm to dek81572
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Psalms 51:5- Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. It's not out of the realm of possibility according to this verse.
This is talking about the doctrine of original sin.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:39 pm to cssamerican
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For me, the biblical David was utterly convinced he would defeat Goliath, as though no other result was conceivable, almost like bringing a gun to a knife fight. Yet, in the show they emphasize David is afraid, and that just doesn’t represent the way I have always read and interpreted the story.
Yea we’re all gonna have our own interpretations with what we grew up with. I’m kinda like you. But I haven’t gotten that far yet, I’m on Ep 6. I’ll form my own opinion once I watch it but I will say this, true courage and bravery is still being scared to death inside but carrying out what you believe is right regardless. So showing him visibly scared while still doing what he did sounds like a normal human to me.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:28 pm to meeple
Where does it say that? It says that he was brought forth in inequity, or immoral behavior and conceived in sin. One could infer that he was conceived in a sinful relationship outside of marriage.
Either way, in the big scheme if things, it doesn't really matter. Jesus is still Lord of all!
Either way, in the big scheme if things, it doesn't really matter. Jesus is still Lord of all!
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:20 pm to dek81572
I know history is already written, and I guess it speaks to the fear Goliath put into Israel’s troops. What happened happened, I believe it with all my heart.
But you have to wonder, why didn’t they just rain down a thousand arrows on Goliath whenever he came out to taunt the troops? Just a hypothetical
But you have to wonder, why didn’t they just rain down a thousand arrows on Goliath whenever he came out to taunt the troops? Just a hypothetical
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:54 pm to Frac the world
Just wait til you get to the latest episode. This is show is based more on fantasy epics than the Bible.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:23 am to dek81572
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Psalms 51:5- Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
It's not out of the realm of possibility according to this verse.
It’s also apparently a Jewish tradition that he was conceived illegitimately. So, the show didn’t come up with this out of thin air. However, I’m sure they chose this route because from a storytelling standpoint it’s more to flesh out and play off of then not.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 8:32 pm to cssamerican
Just finished the seies. I really enjoyed it and loved the characters and glad there will a second 2. Very entertaining
Posted on 4/7/25 at 9:52 pm to WONTONGO
I like it better when it was called Kings…
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