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Inglourious Basterds question I've had for years

Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:11 am
Posted by jmh5724
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:11 am
In the bar scene, why was Major Hellstrom there to begin with? Was it just a coincidence or was he tipped off by someone about Operation Kino. There is an interesting Reddit thread about how he knew they were all spies before the hand gesture. LINK
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:15 am to
I think he saw unfamiliar faces and was just kind of hanging back observing them until his suspicions seemed worthy of further investigation
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:19 am to
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In the bar scene, why was Major Hellstrom there to begin with


It was a common hangout for local soldiers and the like. Hitler had high ranking intelligence officers stationed all over Germany to gather Intel and keep watch.

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There is an interesting Reddit thread about how he knew they were all spies before the hand gesture. LINK


I didn't click the link, but he most certainly did. He could tell by their accents. Even the young German Soldier kid could tell by their accents, and the way they were acting. Further, as a high ranking intelligence official, he would've been familiar with groups of ranking officers in the town and known that they weren't. And he most certainly would've known Hugo Stiglitz face immediately.

The entire card game was a battle of wits between the Americans and the Germans. That was pretty clear. The Hellstrom was just getting them to let their guard down enoigh to give him and excuse to kill them and give himself an excuse to sharpen his cunning and skills. Plus, he needed to gather Intel. If he did make it out alive, he needed as much information as possible before he revealed himself.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:31 am to
frick him. I'm glad he's dead.
Posted by HandGrenade
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 4:30 am to
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The entire card game was a battle of wits between the Americans and the Germans.


There was not a single American in that scene until after shots were fired.
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 6:18 am to
Me no guns, no guns you.
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:03 am to
One of my favorite scenes of that entire movie.

"Say auf Wiedersehen to your Nazi balls."
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:13 am to
"Killing nazi's is a business and cuzin business is a boomin"
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:42 am to
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It was a common hangout for local soldiers and the like


Yeah, in a basement. Fighting in a basement has a number of difficulties, #1 being, you're fightin' in a basement.

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He could tell by their accents. Even the young German Soldier kid could tell by their accents


That was just the British officer (Michael Fassbender). He even comments on knowing the parts of Germany the other's accents came from.

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And he most certainly would've known Hugo Stiglitz face immediately.


maybe, remember it was 1940's not as easy to get a picture to everyone even in the high command.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:45 am to
quote:

There is an interesting Reddit thread about how he knew they were all spies before the hand gesture.


Well that's pretty obvious. I mean, why even approach them if that wasn't the case?
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:50 am to
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That was just the British officer (Michael Fassbender). He even comments on knowing the parts of Germany the other's accents came from.


Couple the weird accent with the way they were acting and the immediate shut down of questioning, etc....

It all gave rise to suspicion. Plus they're all in a shitty basement bar with one of the biggest movie stars of all time.

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maybe, remember it was 1940's not as easy to get a picture to everyone even in the high command.



A common theme throughout the entire movie is the Bastards underestimating Lander and the higher ups of the Germans.

Lander makes a point at the end that he knows the names and faces and descriptions of every Bastard.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 9:53 am
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:51 am to
I have to wonder what the Basterds were thinking in letting Hugo Stigltz at a movie premiere with all the high ranking Nazi officers in attendance. It would be like Osama Bin Laden walking into the White House Correspondents Dinner. He would be recognized and killed immediately.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 9:55 am
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:58 am to
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Lander


Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:28 am to
quote:

A common theme throughout the entire movie is the Bastards underestimating Lander and the higher ups of the Germans.

Lander makes a point at the end that he knows the names and faces and descriptions of every Bastard.


Landa, fair point but the basterds did leave a survivor on purpose and Landa said he interviewed them. So he knew names and had a description of them. no way other officers knew the names of the basterds. The one guy that gets beaten by the bear Jew does say everyone in the German army knew Hugo Stiflitz
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:36 am to
no, he did not know they were spies. he found fassbender's accent amusing, probed him about it, then wanted to fraternize with officers and von hammersmark for a bit. i think it takes away from the tension if he knows the whole time. he'd be an idiot if he knew and then put himself in that very dangerous situation. he's way too smart to do it for "the rush" or any kind of stimulation from the mind game. that reddit theory is a lot of circumstantial conjecture

only thing i could see being true is his recognition of Stiglitz, but the film breaks its own "everyone knows who stiglitz is" rule many times. they were gonna send him to the premiere for fricks sake
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2472 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:50 am to
I guess my biggest question was his being there. Was it a coincidence or did he have information about the meeting beforehand?

There's also interesting theories on whether or not Landa recognized Shoshanna in the restaurant scene.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 10:52 am
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 11:01 am to
I think the actress gave it away. What the hell is she doing in some little basement bar?
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 11:02 am to
i think he just happened to be there at the local hangout. he was by himself in the corner because, like he said, officers shouldnt fraternize with enlisted man. thats what i like about tarantino's scripts. sometimes great scenes are just a product of the circumstances of the characters. a gestapo officer is out having a drink and accidentally discovers a group of spies meeting an informant

there's something charming about situations like that
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 11:05 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 11:24 am to
We got a word for that kind of odd in English. It's called "suspicious."
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 11:25 am
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
104127 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 11:59 am to
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Hugo Stiglitz


Instant sign that something is probably wrong.
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