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Quentin Tarantino says prestige television is forgettable and has nothing on movies
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:07 pm
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“Everybody talks about how television is now. It’s pretty good, I gotta say. It’s pretty good now. But it’s still television to me,” Tarantino said. “And what’s the difference between television and a good movie? Because a lot of the TV now has the patina of a good movie. There are using cinematic language to get you caught up in it.”
“I’ll use an example of a show: ‘Yellowstone.’ I didn’t get around to watching it the first three years or so and then I watched the first season and I thought, ‘Wow, this is fricking great. I’ve always been a Kevin Costner fan and he is wonderful in this,'” he continued. “I got caught up in the show and I’m having a good time. The first season, it’s like a big movie. The guy who writes it is a good writer. There’s punchy monologues and stuff. I end up watching three seasons of it and I even watch that ‘1883.’ It’s a good Western show.”
Tarantino said that when he’s watching “Yellowstone” he is “compelled and caught up in it, but at the end of the day it’s all just a soap opera. They’ve introduced you to a bunch of characters. You know their backstories and connections to everyone else.” But like any soap opera, “you don’t remember it five years from now. You’re only caught up in the minutia of it in the moment.”
“The difference is I’ll see a good Western movie, and I’ll remember it for the rest of my life,” Tarantino said. “I’ll remember the story, this scene and that scene. It built to an emotional climax of some degree. The story is good. It’s not just about the interpersonal relationships. But there’s a payoff to it. There is not a payoff on TV stuff. It’s more interconnected drama. While I am watching, that is good enough. But when it’s over, I couldn’t tell you [what happened].”
Tarantino explained that while he can remember who the villain was in the first season of “Yellowstone” because he is a fan of actor Danny Huston, he doesn’t “remember any of the other details of it.”
“I don’t remember the bad guys for Season 2 or Season 3. It’s out of my head. It’s completely gone,” Tarantino said. “With ‘1883,’ Sam Elliot is the only thing I remembered about it when it was finished. But ‘Red River,’ I remember for the rest of my life.”
Not all television shows are created equally, however. Tarantino cited the first season of Showtime’s “Homeland” as one that did have the emotional payoff of a movie. But that show ended up continuing for seven more seasons.
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Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:10 pm to Bench McElroy
He ain't lying
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:11 pm to Bench McElroy
Great insight.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:18 pm to Bench McElroy
Well TV is just soap opera.....that's the medium, they want eyeballs for years.
It can be good soap opera but eventually when it becomes just interpersonal relationships and people talking season after season, people bail.
And most, even great cinematic TV just eventually becomes diminished and reduced to the relationship of the characters.
See the great Breaking Bad, which couldn't even escape that format trap.
It can be good soap opera but eventually when it becomes just interpersonal relationships and people talking season after season, people bail.
And most, even great cinematic TV just eventually becomes diminished and reduced to the relationship of the characters.
See the great Breaking Bad, which couldn't even escape that format trap.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:31 pm to Bench McElroy
Meh.
Season 2 of Justified was a masterpiece, and I still remember most of it to this day, certainly more than what 5th poor bastard Django shot.
Season 2 of Justified was a masterpiece, and I still remember most of it to this day, certainly more than what 5th poor bastard Django shot.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:34 pm to Bench McElroy
Famed Movie actor and director shits on Television shows.
More at 7p
More at 7p
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:58 pm to Bench McElroy
Kinda depends on what TV show we’re talking about.
Because I remember every moment of something like Breaking Bad or Dark. If it truly has a tight story that needs multiple seasons to tell, then it works just as well as the movie format, if not better. You’re not telling the story of Walter White in 2.5 hours.
But I do agree that the majority of these high quality shows that come out every year are mostly forgettable. Is that because they aren’t actually that good or is it because there are too many coming out?
Because I remember every moment of something like Breaking Bad or Dark. If it truly has a tight story that needs multiple seasons to tell, then it works just as well as the movie format, if not better. You’re not telling the story of Walter White in 2.5 hours.
But I do agree that the majority of these high quality shows that come out every year are mostly forgettable. Is that because they aren’t actually that good or is it because there are too many coming out?
Posted on 12/15/24 at 5:11 pm to Bench McElroy
TV series are too drawn out to have the same sort of impact a film can. A film is way more tightly structure and you can experience it in one sitting, and everyone experiences it that way.
Some projects are clearly better for one or the other.
Some projects are clearly better for one or the other.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 5:18 pm to Bench McElroy
He is right
Posted on 12/15/24 at 5:20 pm to Bench McElroy
Except for sitcoms and mini series, he’s correct. Band of Brothers is still just as memorable to me as any number of movies. I watch and rewatch the hell out of Seinfeld, Frasier, and Parks and Rec. Some of the individual episodes are very memorable.
One hour dramas are not like that.
One hour dramas are not like that.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 5:32 pm to Bench McElroy
Fine Quentin, you win. You can direct one more Yellowstone season with Costner.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 6:29 pm to Alyosha
I had the pleasure of bingeing the first season of Homeland while the second was starting and went straight in to it. The 1st and 2nd go hand in hand and were great.
He makes some concise points and I agree. My biggest gripe has always been the side plots from some shows that are drawn out aren't very good and the goods ones get left in the dust nor do they connect well with the greater plot. I don't have concrete examples just an overall opinion. This is why I don't care to watch algorithm Netflix shows anymore.
He makes some concise points and I agree. My biggest gripe has always been the side plots from some shows that are drawn out aren't very good and the goods ones get left in the dust nor do they connect well with the greater plot. I don't have concrete examples just an overall opinion. This is why I don't care to watch algorithm Netflix shows anymore.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 6:37 pm to alajones
Oh really? Ever watched any of the Dallas discussions on this board? They know all the episodes
Posted on 12/15/24 at 6:47 pm to Bench McElroy
Have to disagree with Tarantino on this. I'll always remember the emotional wallop of shows like Breaking Bad and such as some of the best scripted works of all time. TV writing and production, and even video game writing and production for that matter, has caught up with and even eclipsed narrative feature production in some cases. Some might even consider tv, web series, and video games superior because of the length of time audiences spend with characters and storylines.
To deny this is to risk stagnation in the film medium.
To deny this is to risk stagnation in the film medium.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 8:45 pm to Bench McElroy
He's right but there can be a lot more character development in TV like Walt in Breaking Bad. There's just not enough time in a single movie to have that kind of depth.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 8:49 pm to StringedInstruments
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But I do agree that the majority of these high quality shows that come out every year are mostly forgettable. Is that because they aren’t actually that good or is it because there are too many coming out?
Other than Shogun, what's been "high quality TV" in the 2020's?
Certainly not Yellowstone, which QT mentions.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 9:27 pm to Bench McElroy
For the most part yes
But succession has some of the best acting, 2 or 3 people going at it to each other all throughout the show and that’s as good as tv has been in a while
But succession has some of the best acting, 2 or 3 people going at it to each other all throughout the show and that’s as good as tv has been in a while
Posted on 12/15/24 at 9:39 pm to Bench McElroy
Prestige TV has been on a downswing the last 8 or 9 years. But since Hollywood has insisted on "the message", the quality of new stuff has dipped significantly.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 9:39 pm to chinese58
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Other than Shogun, what's been "high quality TV" in the 2020's?
Off the top of my head, Succession, Severance, Chernobyl, Station Eleven, Squid Game, Fallout, Andor, Hacks, Barry, White Lotus, Devs.
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Certainly not Yellowstone, which QT mentions.
QT’s argument works best when you compare the quality of Taylor Sheridan’s movies to his television shows.
This post was edited on 12/15/24 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:44 pm to Bench McElroy
It depends on what the creator does with either format... seriously.
I remember reading a book written in the 70's about the making of Star Trek. Obviously about the original series, well before anything later. Judging from references, I think before Star Wars came out, so before 77.
Some of the creative minds discussed the difference between "a movie" and "a TV show", as they saw it then.
A movie was a seminal event in the protagonist's life, leading to the climax of the movie, and nobody cares about before or after. You want that 2 hours of time, which is the biggest thing in his life.
TV didn't have those big climaxes, because you wanted to continue on with the story and character, and you can't have somebody being continuously having enormous events or it wouldn't seem realistic. Even in sci fi with Kirk, you had to keep it an even keel, not too high or low, because he's coming back next week.
That concept has blurred in the last decade or so...
LOTR is 10+ hours, one continuous story. It was a trilogy of movies, but was longer than miniseries such as Shogun (original), and honestly longer than a lot of seasons of "premium" shows nowadays. You could argue that deep books such as LOTR might actually be BETTER as premium series, because you could almost break down chapters into episodes.
Meanwhile on the movie side, you have the MCU, which technically is still continuing, but even if you go from Iron Man to Endgame, that's more hours than most TV series. So that shows movies can be effective for the continuing stories.
Star Wars doesn't count, because there were years between movies in-universe. But LOTR is probably not more than a month from the end of Fellowship to the beginning scenes in Return of the King.
I remember reading a book written in the 70's about the making of Star Trek. Obviously about the original series, well before anything later. Judging from references, I think before Star Wars came out, so before 77.
Some of the creative minds discussed the difference between "a movie" and "a TV show", as they saw it then.
A movie was a seminal event in the protagonist's life, leading to the climax of the movie, and nobody cares about before or after. You want that 2 hours of time, which is the biggest thing in his life.
TV didn't have those big climaxes, because you wanted to continue on with the story and character, and you can't have somebody being continuously having enormous events or it wouldn't seem realistic. Even in sci fi with Kirk, you had to keep it an even keel, not too high or low, because he's coming back next week.
That concept has blurred in the last decade or so...
LOTR is 10+ hours, one continuous story. It was a trilogy of movies, but was longer than miniseries such as Shogun (original), and honestly longer than a lot of seasons of "premium" shows nowadays. You could argue that deep books such as LOTR might actually be BETTER as premium series, because you could almost break down chapters into episodes.
Meanwhile on the movie side, you have the MCU, which technically is still continuing, but even if you go from Iron Man to Endgame, that's more hours than most TV series. So that shows movies can be effective for the continuing stories.
Star Wars doesn't count, because there were years between movies in-universe. But LOTR is probably not more than a month from the end of Fellowship to the beginning scenes in Return of the King.
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