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re: 'The Fantastic Four’ Casting News: Ralph Ineson is Galactus
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:59 am to dawgfan24348
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:59 am to dawgfan24348
I think most people expect Norrin Radd to be in it. Some of these "scoops" are pretty comical to me. It's like when a lot of them were leaking that lex luthor would be the bad guy in Superman lol.
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Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:02 am to RLDSC FAN
Yeah him eventually showing up was always going to be when not if, especially with the F4 reportedly taking place in an alternate universe
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:12 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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*DV - why? The studios have said this stuff outright. You can’t be serious & not see what’s happening.
Because people refused to believe it or are being completely intellectually dishonest.
I've said it ad nauseum on here but Disney admitted it in legal filing. The smoking gun can't produce any more smoke than that.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:16 am to CP3forMVP
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Nobody going to talk about how DanielRPK reported that Norrin Radd will be in the movie after this 16 page melt?
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BREAKING!! Norrin Radd is reportedly in #TheFantasticFour alongside Julia Garner’s Sahara-Bal.
…According to Daniel RPK, Shalla-Bal gave herself up to Galactus, while Norrin Radd is still on Zenn-La.
Yeah - this sounds like exactly what I said. You guys are the ones who are quite possibly wrong.
They are going to gender swap the roles. Instead of Norrin giving his life to Galactus as Herald and leaving Shalla Bal behind, it's going to be Shalla Bal giving her life as Herald to Galactus leaving Norrin behind.
They are taking Norrin's story - his character, motivations, ideals, etc. - and pasting it onto a woman.
You are focused on the names, not the story. Again people are not upset, potentially, because Norrin is or is not in the movie. Or because they are doing the Frankie Ray story, etc.
This is about gender-swapping a charcter's history and story. It's essentially turning Norrin into a woman by proxy. How can you not see that???
I wouldn't say "Norrin Rad is in the movie idiots," if they had a dog named Norrin Rad in the movie. That's incredibly stupid. It's not about the name appearing in the movie on some other lame character that suffices.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 10:18 am
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:19 am to Freauxzen
It's like none of you actually understand what the entire gender-swapping problem is at all. You don't get why it rubs people the wrong way and have never actually thought about.
"Dude, Norrin Rad is in the movie, he's a used car salesman in Scene 17 when debris falls to earth. Calm down." - You don't actually get it.
You cannot take a character who is male, with a history, with a narrative, with specific goals, motivations, stories and swap that out with a female. That is unfair to the character. To the creator, and to the long term fans of said character. There is NO reason to gender swap. Characters are characters for a reason. They are not just names. They are not just random ideals thrown together. Stories - all of them - are important. I'd never want to see a female King Arthur. I'd never want to see a male Eowyn. I'd never want to see a transgender Achilles (gay is probably fine, ha). It's not right.
Page 10 for the guys who don't actually understand what the problem is:
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"Dude, Norrin Rad is in the movie, he's a used car salesman in Scene 17 when debris falls to earth. Calm down." - You don't actually get it.
You cannot take a character who is male, with a history, with a narrative, with specific goals, motivations, stories and swap that out with a female. That is unfair to the character. To the creator, and to the long term fans of said character. There is NO reason to gender swap. Characters are characters for a reason. They are not just names. They are not just random ideals thrown together. Stories - all of them - are important. I'd never want to see a female King Arthur. I'd never want to see a male Eowyn. I'd never want to see a transgender Achilles (gay is probably fine, ha). It's not right.
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What's more likely in this movie:
1. Using Shalla Bal Silver Surfer - who was part of a pair in an alternate timeline - from the Earth X saga. When Norrin Radd has not been cast or announced in this film and she is cast as "Silver Surfer"
or
2. Taking the Norrin Radd story, history, narrative, and using Shalla Bal in name only and translating Norrin's story - which is THE Silver Surfer - into HER story.
Using a character in name only DOES NOT mean the two roles are completely different characters.
Again, that's the problem They are most likely using the character of Silver Surfer, Norrin Radd, and replacing his character with a women in HIS story.
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…According to Daniel RPK, Shalla-Bal gave herself up to Galactus, while Norrin Radd is still on Zenn-La.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 10:28 am
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:28 am to Freauxzen
you’re a comics guy.
i’d they do a multidimension angle and basically we get a classic silver surfer and the “what if” version where Shaka Bal went to serve galactus in a different dimension/multiverse whatever, would that be ok for you?
I do think the whole
multiverse thing is going to be how they introduce a huge number of new heroes. And we’ve already seen John Krasinski Reed isn’t the only one.
i’d they do a multidimension angle and basically we get a classic silver surfer and the “what if” version where Shaka Bal went to serve galactus in a different dimension/multiverse whatever, would that be ok for you?
I do think the whole
multiverse thing is going to be how they introduce a huge number of new heroes. And we’ve already seen John Krasinski Reed isn’t the only one.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:28 am to Freauxzen
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essentially turning Norrin into a woman by proxy. How can you not see that???
Because that’s not what’s happening, it’s an alternate timeline where his wife takes the role of Silver Surfer and not him. The fact that he’s in it at all gives validity to the theory that he’ll wind up being the mainline Surfer. Did you throw the same fit when Peggy was an alternative version of Cap in MoM?
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:35 am to SammyTiger
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i’d they do a multidimension angle and basically we get a classic silver surfer and the “what if” version where Shaka Bal went to serve galactus in a different dimension/multiverse whatever, would that be ok for you?
Just because the Spider-Man storylines introduced the multiverse does not mean this actually happens any time soon. Or at all. It CAN happen, but that's clearly not what they are doing.
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I do think the whole
multiverse thing is going to be how they introduce a huge number of new heroes. And we’ve already seen John Krasinski Reed isn’t the only one.
That was a one time thing for fans of the casting. That's it. We'll never see that Reed again.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:37 am to dawgfan24348
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Because that’s not what’s happening, it’s an alternate timeline where his wife takes the role of Silver Surfer and not him.
You think they are going to one and done Pedro Pascal, so this is a one-shot F4 movie that will not support the ongoing MCU. This is not their plan.
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The fact that he’s in it at all gives validity to the theory that he’ll wind up being the mainline Surfer.
It does not at all.
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Did you throw the same fit when Peggy was an alternative version of Cap in MoM?
One shot like Reed, and of course not. She also had a what if episode. Not a big deal.
So your argument of why gender and race swapping is ok is because "it would take 5000 movies to introduce appropriate female and race superheroes." But it's ok that it takes 5000 movies to release an actual version of Silver Surfer into the MCU?
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 10:39 am
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:37 am to Freauxzen
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Just because the Spider-Man storylines introduced the multiverse does not mean this actually happens any time soon
Multiverse of Madness?
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but that's clearly not what they are doing.
Considering the rumors have long been it takes place in an alternate set in the 60’s and all the promo marketing so far has been 60’s related I’d believe it’s fair to say that it might just be an alternate universe
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:39 am to Freauxzen
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You think they are going to one and done Pedro Pascal, so this is a one-shot F4 movie that will not support the ongoing MCU. This is not their plan.
No of course not, they’re probably doing what they’re likely also doing to Deadpool brining them over to the main timeline while leaving others there or dead. F4 set in the 60’s in the main timeline makes no sense as nobody has mentioned them yet, putting them in alternate timeline gives them the wiggle room for a 60’s setting while also lets them play around with certain things such as a different surfer.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:40 am to Freauxzen
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your argument of why gender and race swapping is ok
It’s not gender swapping the Surfer is literally just a title
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:44 am to dawgfan24348
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It’s not gender swapping the Surfer is literally just a title
Not it isn't. The Herald of Galactus is a title, the Silver Surfer is a specific character. But, as I said, it's not about names.
If Shalla-Bal sacrifices her life to Galactus as Herald to turn into a Silver Being on a surfboard for Norrin to stay alive on Zenn-La...
That is Norrin's story. That is a gender swapping of the character.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 10:45 am
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:55 am to Freauxzen
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It's like none of you actually understand what the entire gender-swapping problem is at all. You don't get why it rubs people the wrong way and have never actually thought about.
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2. Taking the Norrin Radd story, history, narrative, and using Shalla Bal in name only and translating Norrin's story - which is THE Silver Surfer - into HER story.
It's like some of us aren't going with runaway speculation about how they will write the character's backstory and origin, making sure we assume the worse scenario.
They cast Garner as an established character (No matter how dismissively you regard her) in Marvel to appear in a movie likely set in an alternate 1960s. I think we could let them write the thing before we decide how it will all play out.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:58 am to Freauxzen
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Just because the Spider-Man storylines introduced the multiverse does not mean this actually happens any time soon. Or at all. It CAN happen, but that's clearly not what they are doing.
wait till they have to introduce the XMen and FF.
They need a reason for these people to not be there when they were fighting thanos.
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That was a one time thing for fans of the casting. That's it. We'll never see that Reed again.
but the point is within the world they’ve made we’ve seen different realities with where characters occupy the same space/story/role but are different
Posted on 4/18/24 at 11:12 am to Freauxzen
My hype for this movie dies a little each day. This "multiverse saga" has been sub par.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 11:16 am to Jay Are
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It's like some of us aren't going with runaway speculation about how they will write the character's backstory and origin, making sure we assume the worse scenario.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 11:18 am to Jay Are
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They cast Garner as an established character (No matter how dismissively you regard her)
Seeing that Shala Bal is essentially being cast as the SIlver Surfer is not dismissing her at all.
Shala Bal is the character that Silver Surfer sacrificed his entire existence to protect. She is not a minor character, not a major one either.
Unfortunately, they gender swapped her character too.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:57 pm to Freauxzen
looks way cooler than comics Namor.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 2:42 pm to RLDSC FAN
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