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Thoughts on Tywin Lannister?
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:35 pm
So out of all the GoT characters, I would have to say Tywin Lannister was my favorite. Charles Dance is such an underrated actor, and he really hit a home run in his portrayal of Tywin. I think the biggest question with him is if he was a true villain, or if everything he did was to preserve the legacy of his family.
There was no comedy with Tywin, he was all business. The guy got stuff done and didn’t take crap from anyone. Now, I will say that, although he denied giving the order to Gregor Clegane, if he was responsible for ordering the murders of Rhaegar’s family, that is an evil action and should be condemned. GoT was a brutal world, and many actions were taken that would cause outrage from the viewer. No one will deny that Tywin was ruthless, and the Red Wedding is a perfect example that he will go to any lengths to accomplish what he wants.
He cared about his family, even if he came off as a cold father. I didn’t like how he treated Tyrion, and his disdain for him felt unfair. I did like how his softer side showed in his interactions with Arya, and also with Tommen. I especially like how he put Joffrey in his place on more than one occasion.
He had that aristocratic, regal demeanor, but was all iron underneath. I really wonder what the Seven Kingdoms would have been like if Tywin had been King. I think he would have been tough, but fair. From his conversation with Tommen, Tywin clearly knew the mistakes of Kings in the past, and realized what a good King must do to preserve his Kingdom.
Obviously, if Tywin had lived, none of that mess with the High Sparrow and his followers would have transpired. Tywin would not have stood for that under his watch.
So, what are your thoughts on Tywin? Villain or Noble Family Man? Would he have made a good King? Did he deserve a better fate? What attributes of his did you like or dislike?
There was no comedy with Tywin, he was all business. The guy got stuff done and didn’t take crap from anyone. Now, I will say that, although he denied giving the order to Gregor Clegane, if he was responsible for ordering the murders of Rhaegar’s family, that is an evil action and should be condemned. GoT was a brutal world, and many actions were taken that would cause outrage from the viewer. No one will deny that Tywin was ruthless, and the Red Wedding is a perfect example that he will go to any lengths to accomplish what he wants.
He cared about his family, even if he came off as a cold father. I didn’t like how he treated Tyrion, and his disdain for him felt unfair. I did like how his softer side showed in his interactions with Arya, and also with Tommen. I especially like how he put Joffrey in his place on more than one occasion.
He had that aristocratic, regal demeanor, but was all iron underneath. I really wonder what the Seven Kingdoms would have been like if Tywin had been King. I think he would have been tough, but fair. From his conversation with Tommen, Tywin clearly knew the mistakes of Kings in the past, and realized what a good King must do to preserve his Kingdom.
Obviously, if Tywin had lived, none of that mess with the High Sparrow and his followers would have transpired. Tywin would not have stood for that under his watch.
So, what are your thoughts on Tywin? Villain or Noble Family Man? Would he have made a good King? Did he deserve a better fate? What attributes of his did you like or dislike?
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Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:37 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Bad father, deserved to get killed by Tyrion while taking a shite
This post was edited on 8/3/22 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:39 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Evil villain
Just like his shitty spoiled children
Just like his shitty spoiled children
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:42 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Villain. But absolutely brilliant patriarch. He contributed to his kids being shitty people and undervalued his smartest child (which literally killed him layer). That said, he was the reason House Lannister survived as long as it did and in a position of prosperity.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:46 pm to DBG
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Bad father, deserved to get killed by Tyrion while taking a shite
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:49 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:Jamie made one mistake
He contributed to his kids being shitty people
Jon Snow killed more kids
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:50 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Your argument is fine but you skipped the whole part where he paid a whore to spy on his child then was caught by that child fricking her.
Oh and how he knew his twin children were not only having sex with each other but producing insane off spring and not only didn’t stop it but promoted it.
Oh and how he knew his twin children were not only having sex with each other but producing insane off spring and not only didn’t stop it but promoted it.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:51 pm to SaintlyTiger88
He’s arguably the best character in one of the best shows of all time. Charles Dance is awesome in and of himself. But he was a fricking boss in GoT. Dude literally sent the King to bed at one point.
Boss shite.
It’s incredible that he can be both an awesome father and a horrible father simultaneously. Great leader. Brilliant mind for almost any situation. Cunning. Sharp witted. Even funny at times (I disagree with the no comedy/all business…there were times when his “no bullshite” attitude cracked me up). He recognized good qualities in others, and respected them (like with Arya). But also recognized bad ones and treated them appropriately (like Joffrey).
His biggest positive was also his greatest fault. He put the family and its legacy above everything, and assumed that all Lannisters were the same. It’s why he ultimately assumed he could do whatever he wanted to Tyrion and he’d just roll with it. Even when faced with a crossbowed Tyrion he still was overly confident that he wouldn’t pull the trigger. And he was wrong.
He was definitely one of my favorites.
Boss shite.
It’s incredible that he can be both an awesome father and a horrible father simultaneously. Great leader. Brilliant mind for almost any situation. Cunning. Sharp witted. Even funny at times (I disagree with the no comedy/all business…there were times when his “no bullshite” attitude cracked me up). He recognized good qualities in others, and respected them (like with Arya). But also recognized bad ones and treated them appropriately (like Joffrey).
His biggest positive was also his greatest fault. He put the family and its legacy above everything, and assumed that all Lannisters were the same. It’s why he ultimately assumed he could do whatever he wanted to Tyrion and he’d just roll with it. Even when faced with a crossbowed Tyrion he still was overly confident that he wouldn’t pull the trigger. And he was wrong.
He was definitely one of my favorites.
This post was edited on 8/3/22 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:52 pm to DBG
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:52 pm to OWLFAN86
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Jon Snow killed more kids
To be fair, he knew nothing.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:54 pm to CocomoLSU
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He’s arguably the best character in one of the best shows of all time.
I’m looking forward to them releasing the last two seasons.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:54 pm to SaintlyTiger88
quote:Definitely one of the more interesting characters, and Dance is an AMAZING actor. Always has been.
So out of all the GoT characters, I would have to say Tywin Lannister was my favorite.
quote:Under our modern sensibilities, sure. But he was not a 21st century American. In his environment, if you are running a dynastic coup, you simply CANNOT leave alive viable claimants to the throne.
if he was responsible for ordering the murders of Rhaegar’s family, that is an evil action and should be condemned
quote:This is where I do see him as a "villain." Under the laws and customs of HIS time, he violated guestright, which was supposed to be inviolate.
Red Wedding
quote:He cared a great deal about his HOUSE. I saw no evidence that he cared much at all about the individual members of his FAMILY (except perhaps his dead wife and MAYBE Jaime). Clearly, he held his own father in utter disdain.
He cared about his family, even if he came off as a cold father.
quote:Hell, if he had just remained in place as Hand to King Tommen. Would he have recognized the danger from north of the Wall, or would he have thought to use the Others as a means of removing the North as a threat to the dominion of his House over the remaining Kingdoms? and with his tutelage and knowledge of statecraft combined with Tommen's inherent good nature, he may well have crafted Tommen into one hell of a good king.
I really wonder what the Seven Kingdoms would have been like if Tywin had been King
He definitely deserved better than getting killed while sitting on the shitter.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:57 pm to AggieHank86
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He definitely deserved better than getting killed while sitting on the shitter.
Agree to disagree.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 6:04 pm to PsychTiger
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I’m looking forward to them releasing the last two seasons.
I may catch shite for this, but I watched a good chunk of S7 a week or two ago and it was MUCH better than I remembered. My biggest gripe with it was the time jumps with people getting to places so quickly while others were moving slower. Yet everyone ends up at the same place at the same times.
Sure, some of it felt rushed at times, but there was a lot of awesome shite in S7.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 6:08 pm to AggieHank86
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Hell, if he had just remained in place as Hand to King Tommen. Would he have recognized the danger from north of the Wall, or would he have thought to use the Others as a means of removing the North as a threat to the dominion of his House over the remaining Kingdoms? and with his tutelage and knowledge of statecraft combined with Tommen's inherent good nature, he may well have crafted Tommen into one hell of a good king.
He would’ve crafted Tommen into a fantastic king over time. And Tywin would have 100% given proper attention to the approaching “winter.” For all things he was, stupid wasn’t one of them.
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He definitely deserved better than getting killed while sitting on the shitter.
I don’t know about that. His hubris with Tyrion got him killed and fairly deservingly so IMO.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 6:15 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Game of thrones represents a time where weakness in any form was severely punished and that includes the concept of honor. We saw that with Eddard Stark and so many others.
With all that in mind, Tywin was the consummate political tactician and in true fashion of all those who in that world were successful, he did nothing basd on honor or character or right and wrong. Every decision he made was rooted in maintaining Lannister power and that includes his alliances.
And as far as Terrion was concerned. Who gives a shite? He was a midget, thought of as a little monster. To me, he represented what gingers were to medieval England, they frickin' hated them. And in literature, he wasn't the handsome dwarf. He was a grotesque little motherfricker. However, Tywin did frick up by not valuing Terrion's cunning and intellect.
Good one OP. Keep 'em comin'..
With all that in mind, Tywin was the consummate political tactician and in true fashion of all those who in that world were successful, he did nothing basd on honor or character or right and wrong. Every decision he made was rooted in maintaining Lannister power and that includes his alliances.
And as far as Terrion was concerned. Who gives a shite? He was a midget, thought of as a little monster. To me, he represented what gingers were to medieval England, they frickin' hated them. And in literature, he wasn't the handsome dwarf. He was a grotesque little motherfricker. However, Tywin did frick up by not valuing Terrion's cunning and intellect.
Good one OP. Keep 'em comin'..
This post was edited on 8/3/22 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 8/3/22 at 6:24 pm to BluegrassBelle
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and undervalued his smartest child (which literally killed him layer)
Here's my hot take of the week - Tyrion was not Tywin's son. He was the mad king's son. The mad king used Tywin's wife as a concubine.
It is known.
This post was edited on 8/3/22 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 8/3/22 at 6:26 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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I think the biggest question with him is if he was a true villain, or if everything he did was to preserve the legacy of his family.
I disagree that Tywin did everything to preserve the legacy of his family. He did everything to preserve the legacy of his own legacy and was vicious towards any family member who got in the way of this. If it were truly about his family’s legacy, he would have seen the value of Tyrion who was way more like him than his other two children. Instead he simply saw Tyrion as a spit in the face to him personally and never gave him a chance at least until Joffrey’s stupidity of executing Ned Stark.
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Now, I will say that, although he denied giving the order to Gregor Clegane, if he was responsible for ordering the murders of Rhaegar’s family, that is an evil action and should be condemned.
I don’t buy it. I think Tywin gave the order out of his own self pride, including murdering Elia for stealing Prince Rhaegar from his daughter putting his grandchildren on the Iron Throne.
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He cared about his family, even if he came off as a cold father.
Came off? He was completely blind to his children and because of that the realm bled. He thought Jaime was someone he was not, refused to see Tyrion as anything less than an abomination and a dark reflection of himself, and just saw Cersei as a pawn. Tywin didn’t truly understand any of his children except perhaps Tyrion as his dark reflection, which made him despise Tyrion all the more.
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He had that aristocratic, regal demeanor, but was all iron underneath.
And underneath that iron he was Tyrion, and he was dreadfully aware of that and refused to truly acknowledge it.
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I really wonder what the Seven Kingdoms would have been like if Tywin had been King. I think he would have been tough, but fair.
Probably how he was during the beginning and middle of Aerys’ reign. He would always be despised, but he was effective.
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From his conversation with Tommen, Tywin clearly knew the mistakes of Kings in the past, and realized what a good King must do to preserve his Kingdom.
But his mistake was never acknowledging his family outside of Kevan for who they really were, and that brings calamity to Westeros. Should have spent way more time with his kids than he did, but to be fair he was off being Hand of the King throughout most of their lives.
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Did he deserve a better fate?
No, he died on the toilet killed by the son he serial abused and shown he was full of shite when in the end he did not shite gold.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 6:28 pm to Tiger1242
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Your argument is fine but you skipped the whole part where he paid a whore to spy on his child then was caught by that child fricking her.
To be fair Tywin didn’t bribe Shae outside of after Tyrion went to jail. Tywin didn’t want Tyrion with any whores and threatened to kill any that went into his bed.
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Oh and how he knew his twin children were not only having sex with each other but producing insane off spring and not only didn’t stop it but promoted it.
No, he was completely blind to that and never believed it for a second. He completely refused to see that.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 6:29 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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