re: Watched Solo last night.

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Fair enough. I actually did care about them.

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It's just that everyone else in the film was so bland that I just kinda write off the whole film as having no character to care about. They had Diego Luna, Riz Ahmed, Mads Mikkelsen, Forest Whitaker, and Ben Mendelsohn, for christ's sake. And I didn't give a crap about any of their characters, nor did I find any of them to be compelling.

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Honest Question: how many times have you watched it?

Not that many people cared or were super attached to someone like Porkins but after hundreds of viewings over 30 years I love the guy.

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If A New Hope was the only Star Wars movie it would still be good. It has great characters and action and tells a complete story. Rogue One has none of that.

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This is another criticism I do not understand.

Rogue One was made and marketed as a prequel to A New Hope. Did they ever market it as a stand alone movie?

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You loved, and cared about the characters. You wanted to go on the adventure with them, not just watch them go through it.

And, tbh, that's not asking for a lot. Caring about the protagonists is what makes most films enjoyable. If I can't care about the characters in the story, then it's highly likely I'm not going to end up caring about the story they are in. No amount of awesome action scenes can make up for that. There's a few exceptions to this rule, Rogue One was not one of them.

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To each their own. For the record, I agree in part to what you were saying. The A storyline in Rogue One, Jyn's actual story line, was somewhat flat. I immensely enjoyed pretty much every B story though. I liked Galen Erso's storyline alot. Krennic VS Tarkin was very interesting to me. Chirrut and Baze have become two of my all time favorite characters. I even enjoyed Cassian's storyline and K2SO.

They probably should have just made Cassian the child of Galen and thrown the Jyn character away then left the rest of the movie alone. I think that small change greatly changes the movie for the better. And that is not a sexism thing. Cassian's character could have been female. It would have been more interesting to have the main protagonist be a resistance fighter who had always had to deal with his father being an empire loyalists that slowly learns the truth than to reuse the farm kid with questionable lineage thrust into a situation narrative.

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So I guess I could say my opinion could change if I were to see it again. That's a fair point to make.

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It seems to me people wanted to walk into a theater and immediately like and be invested in the new movie after one viewing as much as a movie they have watched countless times since childhood. That is not a fair or even possible way to evaluate a movie.

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That poor guy with such an unfortunate last name.

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Porkins. Never Forget.

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If you did not like or care about Chirrut Imwe and Baze Malbus then I just assume you never liked Star Wars at all.

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I didn't particularly care about them and I love Star Wars.

Rogue One was kind of a mess. The score was bad. Vader was cringey. Whitaker and Luna were bad.

The battle scenes were good, and the nostalgia was kinda nice. Overall, a bit Meh for me.

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The actor wearing the Vader suit moves stiff as hell but I guess we can overlook that because lightsabers are cool.

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Umm, the OT Vader wasn't exactly Sasaki Kojiro.

New Vader moved more like Frankenstein than old Vader

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It seems to me people wanted to walk into a theater and immediately like and be invested in the new movie after one viewing as much as a movie they have watched countless times since childhood. That is not a fair or even possible way to evaluate a movie.

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While I can agree with that, I also have to bring up the point that there are other films out there (that I've watched as an adult) that made me feel invested in the characters on the first viewing.

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While I can agree with that, I also have to bring up the point that there are other films out there (that I've watched as an adult) that made me feel invested in the characters on the first viewing.

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I completely agree. I personally was invested on first viewing but I can understand if you were not.

Would you agree with this:

They probably should have just made Cassian the child of Galen and thrown the Jyn character away then left the rest of the movie alone. I think that small change greatly changes the movie for the better. And that is not a sexism thing. Cassian's character could have been female. It would have been more interesting to have the main protagonist be a resistance fighter who had always had to deal with his father being an empire loyalists that slowly learns the truth than to reuse the farm kid with questionable lineage thrust into a situation narrative.

Upon first viewing in the theatres, i though Rogue One was rather slow and somewhat boring, until the end, which was full of action and suspense. Just thought it was OK.
But the more i've watched it at home, the more i love it. It's a movie that i don't have a problem picking out of my plex library to rewatch when i'm bored with nothing to watch.