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News: Zion's final 3 years of contract are not *currently* guaranteed per The Athletic
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:00 am
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:00 am
https://theathletic.com/4913537/2023/12/21/zion-williamson-contract-pelicans-nba/
There is a lot more detail in the article, but since it just got posted and it's a pay site, I didn't wanted to copy and paste the whole thing. There are lots of avenues for his salary to become more guaranteed including making his weigh in goals.
quote:
According to the contract, which was reviewed by The Athletic, the final three years of the deal are no longer guaranteed after Williamson was able to only play in 29 games last season. By missing more than 22 games last season, Williamson triggered a clause that turned the salary he is owed for the 2025-26, 2026-27 and 2027-28 seasons from guaranteed to non-guaranteed. That means the Pelicans have the contractual power to waive Williamson after the 2024-25 season with no financial ramifications — though rival team executives believe that would only happen in extreme circumstances. And if Williamson misses significant time this season, it could cut into his guaranteed salary for 2024-25.
The contract also has ways for Williamson to earn back the guarantees by playing in enough games and hitting specific weigh-in checkpoints.
There is a lot more detail in the article, but since it just got posted and it's a pay site, I didn't wanted to copy and paste the whole thing. There are lots of avenues for his salary to become more guaranteed including making his weigh in goals.
quote:
Under the contract, the sum of Williamson’s weight in pounds and his body fat percentage must be less than 295
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 9:05 am
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Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:03 am to Mickey Goldmill
I want it to work here with Zion, I do, but I wonder if that is transferable in a trade if we decide to move on.
I wonder if some team who thinks they could fix him would be willing to give up more with that safety net.
I wonder if some team who thinks they could fix him would be willing to give up more with that safety net.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:04 am to bigpetedatiga
quote:
I want it to work here with Zion, I do, but I wonder if that is transferable in a trade if we decide to move on.
That is the big question
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:08 am to Fun Bunch
So basically it can never become a bad contract if he gets horribly injured.
Only way we wave him is if he suffers degenerative issues like Lonzo and will never play again
Only way we wave him is if he suffers degenerative issues like Lonzo and will never play again
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:12 am to Mickey Goldmill
Well if this doesn't motivate him to get his shite together... Nothing will.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:12 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
I want it to work here with Zion
Same.
quote:quote:
but I wonder if that is transferable in a trade if we decide to move on.
That is the big question
But I also have a strange boner right now.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:18 am to supe12sta12z
quote:It's crazy that this is where we are with Zion, that we're happy about this but we are and we should be. Even though, this will 99% never come to fruition.
Well if this doesn't motivate him to get his shite together... Nothing will.
But also, we have 5 years of evidence to tell us we have zero reason to believe this will motivate Zion...or that anything will motivate Zion.
I hope it happens, whatever the motivation, I hope just anything motivates him to get into shape and to impose his will nightly like other greats...but I have no reason to think any of that will happen.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:18 am to Mickey Goldmill
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When approached by The Athletic, the Pelicans several times declined to comment, answer questions about the contract or make Williamson available to speak. Williamson’s agent, Austin Brown, did not return messages seeking comment.
This must be someone from the league office leaking this
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:23 am to Soggymoss
Though his weight has to do with some of the injuries he has had, you really can't do anything about the injuries.
Amazing that the only thing he can control, his weight, he clearly doesn't care enough about to do anything meaningful and long term to keep the weight down.
Pissing (Eating) away money.
Amazing that the only thing he can control, his weight, he clearly doesn't care enough about to do anything meaningful and long term to keep the weight down.
Pissing (Eating) away money.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:27 am to shel311
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But also, we have 5 years of evidence to tell us we have zero reason to believe this will motivate Zion...or that anything will motivate Zion.
I hope it happens, whatever the motivation, I hope just anything motivates him to get into shape and to impose his will nightly like other greats...but I have no reason to think any of that will happen.
My optimistic side makes me want to believe that with age comes maturity, but obviously that doesn't always come true with everyone.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:37 am to Mickey Goldmill
Unfortunately this is turning out to be far worse than the Embiid situation. Embiid accepted the conditions in his contract and got his shite together. Losing money was more than enough of a motivation for him.
Zion. I just don't know what motivates him anymore. First you thought it was greatness and legacy but that turned out to be lies. Then you'd hope it would be money but he hasn't blinked yet even though it's already been compromised with the activation of the non-guaranteed clause.
It feels like he'll never figure it out here and the league has already begun staging his exit with a leak like this. With his contract being non-guaranteed, his value becomes a lot higher and the league office just made sure every team knows this. This will surely fire up all the trade talks again.
Zion. I just don't know what motivates him anymore. First you thought it was greatness and legacy but that turned out to be lies. Then you'd hope it would be money but he hasn't blinked yet even though it's already been compromised with the activation of the non-guaranteed clause.
It feels like he'll never figure it out here and the league has already begun staging his exit with a leak like this. With his contract being non-guaranteed, his value becomes a lot higher and the league office just made sure every team knows this. This will surely fire up all the trade talks again.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:45 am to supe12sta12z
Gimme any trade for Zion that gets back "50c on the dollar" (whatever that means)...and I'll take it and be VERY happy.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:52 am to Dinky Mulberry
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Gimme any trade for Zion that gets back "50c on the dollar" (whatever that means)...and I'll take it and be VERY happy.
I really dont think a lot of teams would put good offers on the table.
The Knicks may be the only option since they are desperate for a star.
I would trade zion for randle, mitchell robinson, and picks.
People love to shite on randle but he's a hell of a lot more reliable than Zion
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:55 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:Randle?
I would trade zion for randle, mitchell robinson, and picks.
Gross...
As I've said before, if the cap wasn't a thing to worry about, I wouldn't take Randle and a couple of 1sts for free.
He's not a winning basketball player. We all hate how lazy Zion is with his effort, why would we then want to move him for a MUCH worse player who has the same effort issues?
quote:Not sure it's a good thing when the "reliable" is reliably lazy and inefficient.
People love to shite on randle but he's a hell of a lot more reliable than Zion
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:06 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:Not sure you watch enough of Randle. If we made that trade, I guarantee that within a season you would be bitching about his defense and how he does not change games.
I really dont think a lot of teams would put good offers on the table.
The Knicks may be the only option since they are desperate for a star.
I would trade zion for randle, mitchell robinson, and picks.
People love to shite on randle but he's a hell of a lot more reliable than Zion
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:11 am to NOSHAU
quote:I'd set the over/under at 5.5 games before Pels Talk hated him.
I guarantee that within a season you would be bitching about his defense and how he does not change games.
He's not a winning basketball player, for the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would actively want to bring him to this team, especially given his contract.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:13 am to NOSHAU
Randle puts up numbers, but it doesn't lead to being the reason why they win (compared to Brunson). He also demands the ball in his hands A LOT, yet doesn't even have a 2:1 AST:TOV ratio.
Getting Zion to NY is fine and all, but would Brooklyn go for it (is the better question). Somehow rope Utah into it as well.
Zion to Brooklyn
Bridges, Markkanen, Claxton to Pelicans
Nance, Lewis to Utah
How many picks do we need to send/shuffle with Brooklyn to Utah to get this to work
Getting Zion to NY is fine and all, but would Brooklyn go for it (is the better question). Somehow rope Utah into it as well.
Zion to Brooklyn
Bridges, Markkanen, Claxton to Pelicans
Nance, Lewis to Utah
How many picks do we need to send/shuffle with Brooklyn to Utah to get this to work
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:16 am to htran90
quote:
Zion to Brooklyn
Bridges, Markkanen, Claxton to Pelicans
Nance, Lewis to Utah
No way in hell are you getting Bridges with Z's trade value being at an all time low. Last years December Zion ain't playing right now
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:17 am to shel311
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I'd set the over/under at 5.5 games before Pels Talk hated him.
I think there are many...what I call...stone cold losers...in the NBA. Randle has definitely earned his spot on my SCL list.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:22 am to htran90
quote:For his career, 600 games and 20k minutes, his teams are statistically better when he is off the court.
Randle puts up numbers, but it doesn't lead to being the reason why they win (compared to Brunson)
That also includes NYK. Again, 2+ seasons worth of data, not a small sample size. The Knicks are 1.5 points per 100 possessions worse when he is on the court.
Because he's not a winning basketball player. He's horribly lazy, his lack of effort is very arguably worse than Zion's defensively.
We already have a lazy PF, but he's elite with scoring efficiency. Why trade that guy for another lazy PF who is below average level with scoring efficiency?
quote:We could offer every possible draft pick we own, and we wouldn't get to the halfway mark of an acceptable deal here.
Zion to Brooklyn
Bridges, Markkanen, Claxton to Pelicans
Nance, Lewis to Utah
How many picks do we need to send/shuffle with Brooklyn to Utah to get this to work
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