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I see the Saints QB situation like this….

Posted on 4/2/25 at 5:19 pm
Posted by NewBeginnings
Member since Feb 2023
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 5:19 pm
We are wanting to buy a house. We have two options:

Option A: continue renting (Carr) for the next year while we pay off some debt, put back some savings, and improve our credit score (offensive line and weapons). Our rental place is overpriced but we know if we are responsible and wait a year then we will be able to afford a really nice house ( better QB options in 2026).

Option B: we have credit issues and lingering debt, but we are so desperate to get out of our rental property that we are willing to take out a high interest loan on a double wide. We end up paying considerably more after it’s all done.


This is universally considered a weak QB draft. So many posters want to use a top ten pick on a double wide when if we wait a year, we will be setup so much better. Reminds me of the last weak QB draft when the Steelers drafted Kenny Pickett. I bet it is painful for Steelers fans to think about how many great players they bypassed bc they HAD to get a QB.
Posted by REBEL5 AC
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:21 pm to
Just draft Dart. It’s not difficult.
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:36 pm to
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wait a year then we will be able to afford a really nice house ( better QB options in 2026).



By restructuring Carr’s deal a few weeks back we will be even more f*cked next year than we are this year. The restructuring essentially has pushed back any hopes of getting rid of Carr at least another 2 to 3 years. Using your “nice house” analogy, we will be living in a rundown shack in the Lowa Nint Ward for the foreseeable future. Thanks, frickhead Loomis.
Posted by partywiththelombardi
Member since May 2012
11649 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:40 pm to
Im not really at a point where I feel like giving the FO the benefit of the doubt. They don't even look at results even over a multiple year period because that's not what good teams do

If Moore is banging the table for Dart I'll reserve judgement and give him 3 years to show something that would imply a vision and long term plan

Id also be ok with Mickey being locked out of the draft war room all 3 days
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:43 pm to
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Just draft Dart. It’s not difficult.


Where? At 9? What if he busts?
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
2927 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 8:13 pm to
There is no need to panic into a 1st or 2nd round QB pick. Be patient and wait for the QB you know is the real deal be jumping on a bandwagon of QB that may over perform.

Take a good shot in 3rd or later rounds for a player that is a leader and has QB skills. Be open to bring in a vet until one of the younger QB is a hit. Then keep drafting QB in later rounds to keep competition honest until the QB is a future HOF.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 8:16 pm to
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By restructuring Carr’s deal a few weeks back we will be even more f*cked next year than we are this year. The restructuring essentially has pushed back any hopes of getting rid of Carr at least another 2 to 3 years. 


This is false.
Posted by Midget Death Squad
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 8:54 pm to
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What if he busts?



Then he busts. That’s what teams do: they draft a QB snd risk a bust. There is not such thing as a sure thing with any of the rookies, but there is such a thing as a sure thing in a team always needing a QB due to never drafting one. Getting a Brees in FA is an extreme rarity, so you draft until you find your guy.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
18945 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:19 pm to
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This is universally considered a weak QB draft.

I feel like this statement is overblown. The reason this draft is considered so weak is because there is not a definitive #1, or a QB that is considered a generational talent. There also are concerns about the depth of talent at the QB position this draft. Have seen some people have 3-4 guys in the 1st round, then a big drop.

But when you compare this years class to next years class, you have Arch & Nico as tier 1. Then Ward & Sanders would be at the top of that 2nd tier mixed with Allar, Nuss, Sellers, and Klubnick. And Dart & Ewers are at the bottom of that 2nd tier.
Posted by TigerBait2008
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:25 pm to
Arch isn't coming out next year..
Posted by Antib551
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:29 pm to
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Getting a Brees in FA is an extreme rarity, so you draft until you find your guy.
I see this regurgitated all the time, yet Brees, Tom, Peyton are 3 absolute legends who were available in free agency at different stages of their careers and all won SB after a change. Then there are guys like Farve, Warner, McNabb, Delhomme (briefly), Vick, etc who were all great and available for one reason or another, and again all reached a SB at some point in their career. NFL history is littered with QBs who changed teams and ended up becoming legends or continued their stellar play. And drafting shitty qb after shitty qb hoping one sticks is how you make sure you are never in a position to land a top free agent QB.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
18945 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:49 pm to
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Arch isn't coming out next year..

If true, then that increases the value of the top guys in this draft.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:59 pm to
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Then he busts. That’s what teams do: they draft a QB snd risk a bust. 


There's a major difference in drafting a QB top 10 vs drafting a QB at the back end of the 1st round or later because top 10 picks are viewed as spots were elite talent is drafted. Players who are supposed to become game changing, franchise caliber players almost immediately. It's not viewed as an area of the draft where perceived "projects" are drafted.

The Saints have no business taking risks on a project QB inside the top 10 with a current roster that lacks talent at so many positions. 2nd or 3rd round yeah but even then the team would be risking passing up a player at another position who can provide an immediate positive impact.

When organizations miss & miss badly on a prospect inside the top 10, GMs, player personnel directors & members of the scouting department get fired. Misses like Jake Locker (2011 8th overall Titans), Marcus Mariota (2nd overall 2015 Titans), Mitch Trubusky (2017 2nd overall Bears) & Josh Rosen (2018 10th overall Cardinals) got a lot of upper management personnel fired for those decisions & the decisions also set those franchises back several more seasons.

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There is not such thing as a sure thing with any of the rookies


Sure, yet the Packers have managed to hit 2 consecutive times (Favre was drafted by the Falcons & not the Packers) with Aaron Rodgers & now Jordan Love. Both the Chiefs & Bills recently did so on their first try as well with both teams trading up to get a QB which means their QB didn't just fall to them. Finding the right QB can happen & it not just be luck. It simply takes understanding exactly what to look for & having an environment that is conducive to allow proper development.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:17 pm to
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But when you compare this years class to next years class, you have Arch & Nico as tier 1.


This is very much subject to change. Arch is extremely talented yet has only started 2 regular season games. His potential draft stock has a ton riding on his on field performance as a full time starter at Texas. For all the hype & potential, Nico hasn't come close to playing up to the noise around him coming out of high school. Both Nico & the Vols have a lot riding how he plays this upcoming season.

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2nd tier mixed with Allar, Nuss, Sellers, and Klubnick


Out of those 4, Nuss & Klubnik have the potential to make the biggest jump of all. They both will be throwing to two of the more talented WR corps in the nation. LSU may just end up having the deepest & most talented group but Clemson's will be right up there. Allar not so much & he will greatly miss Tyler Warren. Sellers has Nyckoles Harbor who is physical freak so that will help him.
Posted by Mouth
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:18 pm to
lol. Your takes are very negative and one sided.

If CKM likes a QB in this draft and even trades up to get him you should be excited.

Just think if Payton drafted Mahomes (outside the top 10) where’d we be?

Your logic is flawed massively when it comes to drafting a QB in the first rd. I mean Hurts was a 2nd rounder. He’s go top 3 in a redraft.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
18945 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:28 pm to
All great points, which shows how overblown the statement is saying that this is a weak class.

Talking about what could happen next year with these rankings should be a quick reminder that around this time last year Ewers was considered a favorite to be the top QB this year. Now he’s projected from the bottom of the 1st (as the 4th QB off the board) or as a 3rd rounder (as the 4th or 5th guy)
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
11742 posts
Posted on 4/2/25 at 11:05 pm to
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That’s what teams do: they draft a QB snd risk a bust.


The odds say he will likely bust. So what the hell, let’s do it.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 11:09 pm to
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Your takes are very negative and one sided.


He actually makes some valid & thoughtful points.

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If CKM likes a QB in this draft and even trades up to get him you should be excited.


Both true & false. Just taking a QB to take one especially a project can set the franchise back even further than it is. Here's why. Carr is gone next offseason. The recent restructure basically confirmed that. So at a minimum, any QB drafted is possibly looking at being the starter in year 2 unless a veteran free agent is brought in to act as a bridge while this years draftee sits & develops.

The name that keeps getting brought up at #9 lately is Jaxson Dart yet Dart isn't a day one starting prospect & possibly isn't a year two starter either. In order to provide Dart with the best possible chance to be successful, he needs the Jordan Love treatment where he can sit develop for 2-3 seasons behind a veteran. That veteran won't be Carr though & if that veteran can't lead the team to wins, now you pushing the envelope & getting KM in hot seat territory.

It's true if there's one of those game changing day one starting QBs yet outside of Cam Ward, this draft is void of one of those type of prospects. Even with Ward as a rookie, he's gonna make some wow plays & throws but there's still going to be that rookie learning curve & mistakes. Shedeur Sanders even played under a former HC & offensive coordinator at Colorado but I feel like he shouldn't play at least half a season or none at all his rookie year.

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Just think if Payton drafted Mahomes (outside the top 10) where’d we be?


We would be sitting lovely right now with Payton still HC & a couple of more Lombardis in the trophy case.

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Your logic is flawed massively when it comes to drafting a QB in the first rd.


The make up of every draft is not the same though & this is common mistake fans make. It hasn't helped that several organizations over the past several drafts have seemed place lesser value on the position of having a top 10 draft selection.

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 I mean Hurts was a 2nd rounder.


You are looking this take in the present. There were a lot of questions about Hurts accuracy & ability to read coverages even after showing improvements in one season at Oklahoma. Remember Hurts was BENCHED in the 2018 National Championship vs Georgia after struggling badly only for Tua Tagovailoa to come in the game on fire & lead Bama back to a victory in OT. A performance like that doesn't get forgotten very easily.

After aspect to ponder is just how successful would Hurts had he drafted by another franchise & placed in a totally different situation. The Eagles have hands down drafted unbelievably well over the past 4 years. They easily have the most talented roster in the league which has helped aid in Hurts development.

Posted by LeTurdTheFerg
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:47 am to
You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?
Posted by goatmilker
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Member since Feb 2009
70436 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:24 am to
My guess is Dart goes in the second.
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