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re: All "Deep South" metro areas (MSAs) ranked by 2023 population (according to U.S. Census)
Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:31 pm to Govt Tide
Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:31 pm to Govt Tide
1) Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, GA (6th) - 6,307,261 +3.32%
2) Birmingham, AL (47th) - 1,184,290 +0.31%
3) Greenville-Anderson-Greer, SC (57th) - 975,480 +5.09%
4) New Orleans-Metarie, LA (58th) - 972,165 -4.48%
5) Baton Rouge, LA (66th) - 873,661 +0.36%
6) Columbia, SC (70th) - 858,302 +3.48%
7) Charleston-North Charleston, SC (71st) - 849,417 +6.23%
8) Augusta-Richmond County, GA-SC (92nd) - 629,429 +3.02%
9) Jackson, MS (93rd) - 610,257 -1.57%
10) Huntsville, AL (108th) - 527,254 +7.23%
My beloved Great Palmetto State is being overrun.
It's a damn shame.
2) Birmingham, AL (47th) - 1,184,290 +0.31%
3) Greenville-Anderson-Greer, SC (57th) - 975,480 +5.09%
4) New Orleans-Metarie, LA (58th) - 972,165 -4.48%
5) Baton Rouge, LA (66th) - 873,661 +0.36%
6) Columbia, SC (70th) - 858,302 +3.48%
7) Charleston-North Charleston, SC (71st) - 849,417 +6.23%
8) Augusta-Richmond County, GA-SC (92nd) - 629,429 +3.02%
9) Jackson, MS (93rd) - 610,257 -1.57%
10) Huntsville, AL (108th) - 527,254 +7.23%
My beloved Great Palmetto State is being overrun.
It's a damn shame.
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:35 pm to BK Lounge
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Today i learned that Greenville SC and Birmingham are both larger population wise than NOLA.. i had no idea.. but i agree with poster above who said Mande/Cov should most definitely be counted as NOLA metro .
St. Tammany Parrish no longer officially being included as part of the New Orleans metro area has to do with a change in commuting patterns. The threshold for a county being included in a metro area was that at least 25% of the working residents of an adjacent county have to commute to one of the core counties/parrishes of a metro....either Orleans or Jefferson parrish in metro New Orleans case. The % of those commuting from St. Tammany to one of the two core south shore parrishes must have recently dropped below 25%.
Same exact thing happened to metro Mobile, AL about 6 or 7 years ago when the Mobile MSA lost Baldwin County because the commuting rates from Baldwin to Mobile dropped below the threshold to be included as part of the Mobile MSA.
NOLA metro losing St. Tammany isn't necessarily a bad thing though. The state now has a brand new rapidly growing MSA (Slidell-Mandeville-Covington) which it didn't have before the new designation. St. Tammany is also still a part of the New Orleans-Metarie-Slidell CSA (Combined Statistical Area) which is the 44th largest CSA in the country with a 2023 population of 1,340,591
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:35 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:Comuting plays a big part too.
Fair enough. I thought it was more subjective than that and I’m still not sure I agree that it’s a good metric for population statistics.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:37 pm to Saunson69
If they do that then Lake Charles Metro should include half of Orange Texas, All of Calcasieu, lower Beauregard, most of Cameron, Allen, and part of Jeff Davis.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:44 pm to Govt Tide
I didn’t know Houma, bayou cane, Thibodeaux was a MSA.
Not surprised Huntsville tops the list %. Hear great things about it.
I wonder how they decide to draw the lines in these…. Atlanta Sandy Springs Roswell is a VERY limited part of what those in the area would describe as metro Atlanta.
I was wondering the same about New Orleans but the I saw where was a Covington Mandeville Slidell MSA.
Did the count Kenner as metry or was Kenner left out in the cold?
Not surprised Huntsville tops the list %. Hear great things about it.
I wonder how they decide to draw the lines in these…. Atlanta Sandy Springs Roswell is a VERY limited part of what those in the area would describe as metro Atlanta.
I was wondering the same about New Orleans but the I saw where was a Covington Mandeville Slidell MSA.
Did the count Kenner as metry or was Kenner left out in the cold?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:46 pm to scrooster
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My beloved Great Palmetto State is being overrun.
Was not surprised to see SC booming.
Do you people still refer to your roads as “Prideways” rather than highways? If so, continue to EAD.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:47 pm to Bama Bird
quote:College Station passing Bryan in population has got to be the ultimate example of this
even if the suburb part drastically outpopulates the city part
Are there any others?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:50 pm to SloaneRanger
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NOLA losing close to 5%. Yikes.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:58 pm to Govt Tide
We live in the sticks north of Greenville and it just doesn’t seem that big. Go into town multiple times a week. And Spartanburg is really part of the area, which would put it in second.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 10:58 pm to LegendInMyMind
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And Birmingham would be way down the list if they didn't get to keep claiming towns/cities that no longer claim them and are, by pretty much every standard, their own cities now.
Whether a nearby city or cities consider themselves to be part of the core city has absolutely nothing to do with those cities inclusion or lack of inclusion in a given metropolitan statistical area.
Furthermore, the metro population of an area is a much better measure or indicator of the size and economic strength of a given area which is why looking strictly at city population doesn't tell the whole story. If city population was the end all be all then Albuquerque, New Mexico for example would be a bigger, more important city than Atlanta given that the "city" of Albuquerqe has about 50,000 more residents than the city of Atlanta. Same the cities of Louisville and Memphis being larger than Atlanta. Nevermind the fact that Atlanta has more than twice as many people in its metro area than both metro Louisville and metro Memphis combined.
Likewise, no rational person who has spent a lot of time in either Columbus, Georgia or Lincoln, Nebraska just to use two examples would argue that either of those areas are larger than the Birmingham area although those cities have more residents within their respective city limits. That's why focusing strictly on the city proper of a particular city instead of the metro area is such a misguided way to judge the size and importance of a particular area
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:08 pm to Govt Tide
So what’s the end game? Cram as many people as possible into your metro?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:10 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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This is wild. Place has to be the most small town feeling 1 million metro I’ve ever seen. That’s not even a put down. Place just feels a lot more small town than like half the places listed there. It’s a lovely little city, though.
THIS. I've heard great things about the Greeneville, SC and it ranks highly as a place to live but you'd never guess it's anywhere close to as big or as nice as it is going strictly by what you see passing through the area on I-85. It has the feel of a much much smaller place...at least if you don't venture far off of I-85 on your way thru the area. Then again you could sort of say the same thing about the Birmingham area to a lesser extent if you've only passed though the area via I-459. You'd never guess you're passing through a 1,000,000+ metro area unless you venture a decent way off I-459 onto Highway 280 or Highway 31
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:27 pm to Bama Bird
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I really don't know what you're getting at. MSA is City + Suburb, even if the suburb part drastically outpopulates the city part. No one is mistaking Trussville, Hoover, or Gardendale for a "city" by any mean
I agree on Trussville and Gardendale but if by no one mistaking Hoover for a city I'm not sure I'd include Hoover in that statement. With a population of roughly 93,000 it's definitely a decent sized city and fairly large suburb about the same size as Roswell, GA and behind only Metarie, LA, North Charleston, SC, and Sandy Springs, GA in size among suburbs in the Deep South
Posted on 6/20/24 at 5:32 am to sta4ever
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South Carolina is not the Deep South.
If you actually believe this, you clearly don’t know shite about frick
Posted on 6/20/24 at 5:40 am to SloaneRanger
quote:A
NOLA losing close to 5%. Yikes. Not surprised, but sad to see what an outlier it is.
A lot of minus in Louisiana overall.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 5:47 am to Govt Tide
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St. Tammany Parrish no longer officially being included as part of the New Orleans metro area has to do with a change in commuting patterns. The threshold for a county being included in a metro area was that at least 25% of the working residents of an adjacent county have to commute to one of the core counties/parrishes of a metro....either Orleans or Jefferson parrish in metro New Orleans case. The % of those commuting from St. Tammany to one of the two core south shore parrishes must have recently dropped below 25%.
This is based on 2020 data, which makes sense I doubt many people were commuting with COVID. In the next update I’m sure St. Tammany will be part of the New Orleans MSA again.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 6:23 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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Rome, GA
Hidden gem. Rome is beautiful.
It really is. A fantastic area to live.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 6:26 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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Thinking we'll eclipse the 7MIL mark by the end of the decade.
In 30 years Atlanta and Athens will be basically one metro area. In another 100 it will include Greenville and Charlotte. I have an idea what that will mean for the quality of life but the I-85 corridor is fast becoming the I-95 corridor......
Posted on 6/20/24 at 6:32 am to cbree88
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Atlanta is widely known as one of America’s worst shite holes
Posted on 6/20/24 at 6:35 am to Govt Tide
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New Orleans-Metarie, LA (58th) - 972,165 -4.48%
That decline is far worse in just 4 short years than I would’ve thought. Saints are on borrowed time there as the 4% that bailed are likely productive people paying for services for others.
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