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re: Ban the Box
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:47 pm to UFFan
Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:47 pm to UFFan
This is my pet peeve. When someone starts a thread and just assumes everyone knows what they are referring to. I thought this had something to do with this upcoming baseball matchup with Tennessee. And not going to the box.
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 2:53 pm to UFFan
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If you don't want to have a hard time getting a job because of a criminal conviction, then don't commit crimes.
I mostly agree... but there's a big difference between a guy who got busted with weed in his younger days and a guy who molests children.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:02 pm to Sam Quint
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i didnt say that
My bad. Didn't notice that you weren't the original person who said it
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but you dont think that companies should have the right to outright reject a felon's job application?
Personally, I think companies should be able to reject any job application for any reason whatsoever. But I also appreciate that I don't actually live in a libertarian paradigm, so from a pragmatic perspective I'll repeat: I don't have strong feelings on it either way.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:09 pm to Joshjrn
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Personally, I think companies should be able to reject any job application for any reason whatsoever. But I also appreciate that I don't actually live in a libertarian paradigm, so from a pragmatic perspective I'll repeat: I don't have strong feelings on it either way.
yeah i think we're pretty much on the same page. i agree that felons who cant get employment are likely to return to a life of crime, but i also just feel that that's the bed they've made. it sucks, but i dont feel that companies should be made to jump through extra hoops just to not hire them. it's one of those situations where there just arent a lot of great outcomes usually.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:10 pm to Joshjrn
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Do you really not see the unintended consequences of this statement?
Like business owners not having to worry about someone with a documented violent past prowling around the business they built from the ground up? Pretty sure that's their intention.
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:14 pm to Artificial Ignorance
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Are there parallels to background checks in gun ownership?
Give them an inch......
Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:16 pm to UFFan
Business Rule # 1 - Do not hire people convicted of robbery unless you have no issues with being robbed.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:27 pm to Crow Pie
I'll add for anyone's interest: There is a tax credit you can claim for hiring a felon. Up to a $2400 credit on federal payroll taxes.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:29 pm to UFFan
Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:38 pm to UFFan
I have mixed feelings on the whole thing, but Merle had a valid point.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:44 pm to High C
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Merle had a valid point.
I never have understood why so many folks follow songs that Merle Haggard wrote at 30 years old as if they were scripture.
They're just good drinking songs, that's all.
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Haggard has recorded more than 600 songs, about 250 of them his own compositions.
So..... there are 350 of his songs, he didn't write......
350>250
Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:47 pm to UFFan
I do think it's horse shite companies ask about arrests. I've never been arrested, but accidental/wrong arrests do occur.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:48 pm to Artificial Ignorance
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Bonus question: Are there parallels to background checks in gun ownership?
The amount of dumbass questions I have to answer every time I buy a gun is asinine.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 4:43 pm to Jcorye1
That's one reason gun shows exist.
Eff the government knowing every firearm i own.
Criminals give 0 fricks about that crap.
Eff the government knowing every firearm i own.
Criminals give 0 fricks about that crap.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 5:12 pm to UFFan
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And if they rescind the job offer, they have to give some letter to the state explaining why they're not hiring the felon.
That’s a short letter. Because they’re a felon.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:05 pm to Shexter
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I never have understood why so many folks follow songs that Merle Haggard wrote at 30 years old as if they were scripture
Not at all. The song lyrics are reflective of the thread.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:09 pm to UFFan
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If some private business employer is dumb enough to hire felons, then they should have the right to do so. But hiring felons should not be mandated by the state.
Our Church Elder actively hires felons for his oilfield job if they’ve completed rehab.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:14 pm to UFFan
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first heard about this about a week ago
It's been around for years.
And like many have said, offers can still be rescinded at the end. It doesn't necessarily do away with the check, it moves it from the beginning to the end .
Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:16 pm to UFFan
Yeah, banning the box is stupid and nobody should be telling employers who they can hire, but....
I wish it was easier for somebody getting out of jail to find a job. Not by government decree, of course. It's not a large population, but I do believe that there are some people who are truly sorry for their crimes and want to reform. Remember that an ex-con is going to be let loose on society one way or another. I have a friend who spent over 10 years in prison, and he told me that about a third of the people in prison caused no trouble and were working on skills and wanted to reform. And he said that about a third of the people in prison were 50/50 on reforming, that they wanted to reform, but did not know how to go about it and had trouble controlling their emotion. He also said that about a third of the people were scary hardened criminals who should never be let out.
I wish it was easier for somebody getting out of jail to find a job. Not by government decree, of course. It's not a large population, but I do believe that there are some people who are truly sorry for their crimes and want to reform. Remember that an ex-con is going to be let loose on society one way or another. I have a friend who spent over 10 years in prison, and he told me that about a third of the people in prison caused no trouble and were working on skills and wanted to reform. And he said that about a third of the people in prison were 50/50 on reforming, that they wanted to reform, but did not know how to go about it and had trouble controlling their emotion. He also said that about a third of the people were scary hardened criminals who should never be let out.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:22 pm to UFFan
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If you don't want to have a hard time getting a job because of a criminal conviction, then don't commit crimes.
I disagree. This mentality will cause higher recitivism. Once someone serves their sentence they have paid their debt to society and should be able to move on in a positive direction with their lives.
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