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Dave Ramsey sued for $150 million over endorsing deceptive timeshare-exit company

Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:33 am
Posted by Fear TheSpear
Bradfordville
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:33 am
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After 40 years running their family-owned pharmacy in Washington, Douglas and Roseanne Morrill made plans to travel the world. They bought points from a timeshare company to do so, which they later realized was a mistake.

Roseanne Morrill, a frequent listener of Christian financial advisor Dave Ramsey's radio show, later heard him talk about how timeshares were a rip-off. But Ramsey said there was a way out of their timeshare contracts, just one way out: the Timeshare Exit Team, which he said would give them a full refund if it couldn't get them out of their financial obligations.

They contacted the Bellevue, Washington-based company off Ramsey's endorsement and were told it'd cost them $40,000 for their services. They paid it.

They never got out of their timeshare contract. And they never got their refund. Ramsey, meanwhile, received millions of dollars from Timeshare Exit Team for endorsing the company on his radio show, podcasts and financial courses, as well as a share of the fees the company received from the customers he referred, according to a recently filed lawsuit first reported on by the Religion News Service.

The Morrills, along with 15 others, are suing Dave Ramsey and his company the Lampo Group (now known as Ramsey Solutions), asking for $150 million over accusations of negligent misrepresentation, unjust enrichment and violation of consumer protection laws. The lawsuit was filed in late April in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington, where the Timeshare Exit Team was located.

The plaintiffs, each of whom paid thousands to the Timeshare Exit Team based on Ramsey's advice, say that Ramsey did or should have known better than to endorse the company. They also say Ramsey's advertising was deceptive, alleging he failed to disclose that he was receiving compensation for the endorsements and that he misrepresented the advertisements as bona fide advice.

From 2015 to 2021, the Timeshare Exit Team, operating under the name Reed Hein and Associates, paid Ramsey to instruct his listeners to hire Timeshare Exit Team, whom Ramsey called "legal specialists," for help getting out of timeshare contracts.

The lawsuit alleges that Ramsey received more than $30 million from the company.

However, Timeshare Exit Team did not terminate its clients timeshare obligations, the lawsuit states. The company often instructed its clients to simply stop paying their timeshare companies or sent clients boiler-plate letters to send to timeshare companies and then negotiate themselves out of their contracts. When the timeshare companies foreclosed on some of those clients, Timeshare Exit Team counted it as a win.

The company also failed to deliver on the 100% money-back guarantee that it advertised and that Ramsey advertised on his shows, according to the lawsuit.

The lawsuit also states that Ramsey continued advertising the company despite mounting evidence it was defrauding its customers, including several successful lawsuits against the company, letters from listeners and warnings from government agencies.

In May 2019, the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Florida ruled that Timeshare Exit Team's practices were unfair and deceptive.

Washington's attorney general sued the company in February 2020, alleging that “[v]irtually every aspect" of the company's operation was deceptive or unfair.

Ramsey Solutions did not respond to a request for comment in time for publication.

Ramsey is also the subject of several other lawsuits filed in recent years. Two former employees of Ramsey Solutions sued the company in federal court in Tennessee alleging discrimination after they said they were fired for disagreements over COVID-19 precautions and for being pregnant and unmarried.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
12388 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:36 am to
“A fool and his money are soon parted.”

-daddy
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 10:37 am
Posted by evil cockroach
27.98N // 86.92E
Member since Nov 2007
8357 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:37 am to
LINK

John Oliver I believe talked about Dave in his bit
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
23225 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:40 am to
Which baby step is this?
Posted by Grinder
Member since Nov 2007
2294 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:41 am to
Dave Ramsay’s a slimy dude. Not to be trusted.

He’s in the category of TV preacher.

Posted by HillabeeBaw
Hillabee Reservoir
Member since May 2023
2289 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:44 am to
Good. This over bearing chode deserves it.
Posted by adam2000
Central
Member since Sep 2016
1116 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:47 am to
Who?
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
84096 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:48 am to
I was listening one day when a man with terminal illness in his late 50s called in despair. Dave asked him why he didn’t have life insurance and the man said he had a 20 year policy that had expired and that upon his death his dependents would be destitute. It was profoundly sad as Dave had no solution to offer.

The next call, literally within seconds, was a young guy asking about life insurance in his 20s. Without missing a beat, Dave offered the knee-jerk advice to get a 20 year term. A 30 year term would have been 10-15 dollars more. But Dave, slave to his own convention, with the previous callers misery still hanging in the air , told a guy to get a policy that would expire before his kids were even out of High School.

The guy is not an advisor, he’s a money “ philosopher “. And he’s so “ on the record “ that his greatest fear is to contradict his rote advice, which every advisor worth his salt, realizes must be tweaked on a case by case basis. Proceed with caution with Dave Ramsey.
Posted by ob1pimpbobi
College Station
Member since Jul 2022
2637 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:57 am to
Sounds like Dave is about to be on his final step big time.

Give like you never have before.
This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 10:35 am
Posted by AUFANATL
Member since Dec 2007
4606 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:14 am to
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They also say Ramsey's advertising was deceptive, alleging he failed to disclose that he was receiving compensation for the endorsements


Isn't that implied by an endorsement? You think Michael Jordan made all of those Nike commercials for free because he really loved the product?

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The lawsuit was filed in late April in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington, where the Timeshare Exit Team was located.


This is what corporations and influential people need to start paying attention to. You can't allow a jury full of crazy left-wing radicals in Seattle to determine your fate. A business HQ's there will be subject to legal jurisdiction there. There's a reason they aren't suing Ramsey in Nashville, TN where he lives and works. The law is all about forum shopping these days because we have completely devolved from a civilization that judges things objectively and it's all about abusing the system to empower "feelings". Caveat Emptor cuts both ways. The timeshare idiots should have done their homework to determine their options but so should Ramsey when it comes to the advertisers he got in bed with. Hell, even if the company isn't a scam you can't allow yourself as a popular Conservative Christain to be dragged into a courtroom in a major city known as a hive for left-wing activism.
Posted by PetroBabich
Donetsk Oblast
Member since Apr 2017
4916 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:14 am to
I have listened to Ramsey's show for a few years and have no doubt he shilled for a sub-par company without giving it much scrutiny. Much of his advice is common sense and worthwhile. Some of it is silly such as his advice to have a no credit score. People need to think critically rather than just assume his word is gold.
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15479 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:18 am to
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People need to think critically rather than just assume his word is gold.


The people that call into his show with $200k in student loans and $50k in credit card debt aren't critical thinkers
Posted by little billy
Orange County, CA
Member since May 2015
8329 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:20 am to
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The company often instructed its clients to simply stop paying their timeshare companies


Without commenting on the case, that's actually robably good advice in many cases
Posted by PetroBabich
Donetsk Oblast
Member since Apr 2017
4916 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:20 am to
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The people that call into his show with $200k in student loans and $50k in credit card debt aren't critical thinkers


Fair.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
10131 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:21 am to
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You think Michael Jordan made all of those Nike commercials for free because he really loved the product?


Terrible analogy.
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
37628 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:21 am to
I had forgotten Dave Ramsey was even still a thing. People still listen to that bozo?
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 11:21 am
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
30145 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:26 am to
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Dave Ramsay’s a slimy dude. Not to be trusted.


I have been telling people he is a fraud for years but they will not listen. People who follow him get irate when you say anything negative about the guy.
Posted by Jacherse
Member since Jul 2021
435 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:28 am to
The concept of a time-share exit scheme is fundamentally flawed. This should be self-evident to all.
Posted by Jacherse
Member since Jul 2021
435 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:29 am to
You guys listen to radio for financial advice?
Posted by GeauxTigers123
Member since Feb 2007
2248 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:34 am to
I don’t agree with everything Dave says, but I think he has done more good than bad for society.

I also think a lot of people are jealous at his financial success. Dude is loaded.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 11:35 am
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