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Dr. Charles Stanley has passed
Posted on 4/18/23 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 4/18/23 at 6:28 pm
One of the greatest pastors of our time.
I still read the IN TOUCH devotionals.
I still read the IN TOUCH devotionals.
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Posted on 4/18/23 at 6:31 pm to KingBarkus
I knew his son, Andy
Dr Stanley’s divorce rocked to Southern Baptist Convention…
Dr Stanley’s divorce rocked to Southern Baptist Convention…
Posted on 4/18/23 at 6:31 pm to dcbl
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Dr Stanley’s divorce rocked to Southern Baptist Convention…
I missed that. Were the reasons disclosed?
Posted on 4/18/23 at 6:34 pm to dcbl
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Dr Stanley’s divorce rocked to Southern Baptist Convention…
It also caused a rift between Charles and his son Andy
Posted on 4/18/23 at 6:47 pm to L.A.
The rift was apparently based on a misunderstanding, but they reconciled a few years ago.
He nor his ex ever came out and stated any specific reasons for the divorce, but from everything that I gathered is that he became so involved in his ministry that he began to neglect his family. When he realized what he was doing, it was too late.
He nor his ex ever came out and stated any specific reasons for the divorce, but from everything that I gathered is that he became so involved in his ministry that he began to neglect his family. When he realized what he was doing, it was too late.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 6:57 pm to peaster68
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The rift was apparently based on a misunderstanding,
What was the misunderstanding?
The story I heard was that Andy thought that Charles should resign since he had always preached that divorce was disqualifying for a pastor. When Charles refused to resign, Andy left the church.
That version seems to be corroborated by this Christianity Today article:
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Anna Stanley filed for divorce in 1993, without explanation and using only the couple’s initials, A. S. and C. S. The news got out anyway and caused an uproar at First Baptist Church. The congregation had never allowed a divorced man to serve in ministry, and Stanley had taught that divorced men were disqualified from ministry.
Stanley announced from the pulpit that the couple was not getting divorced, but was separated and working on their marriage. Anna amended the suit a week later to ask for formal separation instead of divorce and then dropped the case.
She filed again in 1995.
“I am dismayed by my husband’s refusal to accept the critical state of our marriage,” Anna Stanley said in a statement to the Atlanta Constitution. “Instead, he has made repeated announcements from the pulpit that progress was being made towards our reconciliation, when in fact, the very opposite was true. I do not choose to contribute to this charade.”
There were no allegations of infidelity or immoral behavior. Anna said her husband had long made his priorities clear, and she wasn’t one of them.
A number of leaders in the church—which now had regular a weekly attendance of about 13,000—wanted Stanley to step down, at least temporarily. Others pushed him to resign. One of them was Andy Stanley, who was pastoring a rapidly growing satellite campus and seen as First Baptist’s heir apparent.
In later years, the younger Stanley would say he only wanted his father to offer to resign, giving the church a chance to choose to keep their beloved pastor. His father, he said, didn’t hear anything after the word “resign.”
Charles reacted harshly and pronounced his son an enemy. Andy left First Baptist, estranged from his father, and went on to found North Point Community Church, a seeker-sensitive megachurch that would grow to more than 40,000 people.
christianity today
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:06 pm to L.A.
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In later years, the younger Stanley would say he only wanted his father to offer to resign, giving the church a chance to choose to keep their beloved pastor. His father, he said, didn’t hear anything after the word “resign.”
Dr. Stanley in one of his sermons took full blame and pointed to this as being his misunderstanding of not listening fully and eventually seeking forgiveness.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:17 pm to KingBarkus
His son is a loon.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:20 pm to KingBarkus
RIP, I remember watching his sermons in the morning before going to church with the family. Enjoy his lessons.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:23 pm to L.A.
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a seeker-sensitive megachurch that would grow to more than 40,000 people.
What is this?
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:24 pm to auburnnyc94
Andy is what happens when well intentioned Christians become hyperfocused on saving the church/Christianity. In particular protection of the reputation of both. That’s not their job.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:29 pm to Pettifogger
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In particular protection of the reputation of both. That’s not their job.
It's everyone's job to confront self-serving hypocrisy in the pursuit of preserving one's own power and position.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:30 pm to Pettifogger
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well intentioned
Andy Stanley is not well intentioned. His Covid response was proof of that. Had Christ followed Stanley's advice, he'd have never preached to lepers or the sick. He epitomizes a kind of shallowness that seems to be endemic to megachurch Christians.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:31 pm to RobbBobb
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I missed that. Were the reasons disclosed?
I bet it was because his wife wanted his shite
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:31 pm to LSUGrrrl
Tends to orient its ministries toward those who have yet to realize salvation
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:34 pm to LSUGrrrl
quote:A large church that teaches moral therapeutic deism. Aka, a weak God who only desires your happiness.
What is this?
The problem with most non historic 16th century Protestants, Baptists included.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:34 pm to wfallstiger
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Tends to orient its ministries toward those who have yet to realize salvation
I learned something today. Thanks
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:36 pm to LSUGrrrl
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What is this?
I would call it consumer church. It's essentially a place where you go to be motivated and to feel better about yourself, not to actually worship the Lord. I view many of these churches almost in the same light as a self-help seminar, and they always seem to singularly focus on how God can make your life "better", but often times their definition of better is a worldly one.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:38 pm to wfallstiger
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Tends to orient its ministries toward those who have yet to realize salvation
This is the more charitable side of it
But I’ll double down and say that the emphasis of a seeker sensitive church is not the life, death, and resurrection of God took on flesh.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:39 pm to KingBarkus
Never heard of any of these people. Is there a Netflix documentary?
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