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E85 fuel
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:23 pm
Recently bought a used vehicle that is E85 approved. The previous owners used regular 87 octane.
As of this morning, the E85 was exactly 50 cents a gallon cheaper at Racetrac.
Is there a downside to using it? Less fuel mileage, possible engine damage long term?
As of this morning, the E85 was exactly 50 cents a gallon cheaper at Racetrac.
Is there a downside to using it? Less fuel mileage, possible engine damage long term?
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:25 pm to Oldirontides51
E85 fuel typically results in a lower fuel economy compared to regular gasoline, generally around a 15-27% reduction in miles per gallon. This is because E85, which is 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline, has less energy density per gallon than gasoline, meaning it takes more fuel to travel the same distance.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:31 pm to Oldirontides51
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Less fuel mileage, possible engine damage long term?
I wouldn’t have any concerns about reliability on e85 if the car is rated for it. I’ve been running E98 for years and no issues that weren’t self inflicted.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:32 pm to Oldirontides51
If the factory allows for use of E85 it is designed for its use for a certain amount of time.
Do you intend on keeping the car for longer than that (100k miles or so)?
IMHO for the marginal gains in fuel economy the long term damage and accelerated corrosion tot the entire fuel system is not worth it.
Remember, all components have a finite life. Even though the factory is rating the fuel system for use with E85 doesn't mean long term service life is not reduced.
Do you intend on keeping the car for longer than that (100k miles or so)?
IMHO for the marginal gains in fuel economy the long term damage and accelerated corrosion tot the entire fuel system is not worth it.
Remember, all components have a finite life. Even though the factory is rating the fuel system for use with E85 doesn't mean long term service life is not reduced.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:32 pm to Oldirontides51
The manufacturer only cares about your engine until the end of the warranty. Ethanol gas introduces much more water to your engine, thus lessening the life of any parts in the engine. In general, you can't have an environment that is friendly to both hydrophobic and hydrophilic conditions.
I'll put it in Louisiana terms. If it's bad to run 10% ethanol in your outboard or weedeater, why the hell would you want to run 85% ethanol in your vehicle.
I'll put it in Louisiana terms. If it's bad to run 10% ethanol in your outboard or weedeater, why the hell would you want to run 85% ethanol in your vehicle.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:32 pm to Boston911
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This is because E85, which is 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline
Pump e85 is typically in the 65-70% range. I’ve never found true 85% that didn’t come in a drum from a race shop.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:35 pm to Oldirontides51
The first time I ever got into an E85 vehicle it was a rental suburban that I picked up from the airport. Went about 325 miles and ran out of gas. I never even thought about it or dreamed the range could be that low.
Filled it up with Premium and went over 450 miles on that tank. Totally ridiculous.
Filled it up with Premium and went over 450 miles on that tank. Totally ridiculous.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:37 pm to Oldirontides51
IWNUI*
I
Would
Not
Use
It
*Maybe in a rental car that was approved for it’s use?
I
Would
Not
Use
It
*Maybe in a rental car that was approved for it’s use?
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:37 pm to Oldirontides51
Our work fleet tried to push E85 on us for several years. Ran like trash and they eventually made it unavailable
Posted on 4/13/25 at 9:05 pm to Boston911
Typically? It does. Basic thermodynamics. Ethanol has significantly lower heating value than gasoline. That’s one reason why cars can’t meet fuel economy figures shown on the car’s sticker.
Posted on 4/14/25 at 5:39 am to Oldirontides51
In the right car, E85 can act as race fuel. It burns cooler so in a car built for both boost (turbo or , supercharger, blower) and E85 you can turn the boost up and get significant power increase over 93 Octane gasoline with proper tuning. However, you need quite a bit more E85 to do so and it requires bigger fuel injectors and fuel pumps.
As mentioned before, it is hygroscopic. Not a bad idea to use it and rotate back to regular gasoline....your mileage won't be great with E85 as it has less energy density.
As mentioned before, it is hygroscopic. Not a bad idea to use it and rotate back to regular gasoline....your mileage won't be great with E85 as it has less energy density.
Posted on 4/14/25 at 5:41 am to Oldirontides51
quote:Ew. Stopped reading.
Recently bought a used vehicle
Posted on 4/14/25 at 7:40 am to Oldirontides51
Less fuel mileage, more HP. Wait til tank is near empty, then fill up. Drive 8 - 10 miles for computer to detect the E85 fuel and adjust for its use. I never had half a tank of regular gas then finish filling up with E85.
Posted on 4/14/25 at 7:48 am to Oldirontides51
Thanks everybody for some great advice!
Much appreciated!
Much appreciated!
Posted on 4/14/25 at 8:10 am to Boston911
Correct or not, you sold me.
Posted on 4/14/25 at 8:25 am to Oldirontides51
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Less fuel mileage
You will be burning more of it
Posted on 4/14/25 at 8:43 am to Oldirontides51
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Is there a downside to using it? Less fuel mileage
This
Posted on 4/14/25 at 8:54 am to billjamin
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I’ve been running E98 for years and no issues that weren’t self inflicted.
I'm not familiar with E98. Do you have a farm where you make your own ethanol?
Posted on 4/14/25 at 9:02 am to Oldirontides51
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Is there a downside to using it? Less fuel mileage, possible engine damage long term?
Increased fuel consumption, but your vehicle will feel a little more responsive after a couple of E85 tanks - at least the GMC or Chevrolet V8s will once the computer and fuel system recognizes the fuel type. No damage if your vehicle is designed for it. A lot of GM trucks built from 2007-2015 are designed to run on either regular unleaded or any combination of regular and E-85. In those days they had a yellow gas cap if they were equipped to run on E-85 (or maybe green....can't remember). I think a lot of Ram trucks can do it too. Not as many Fords but they had some gas F-250s that could use either/or.
Careful - a lot of cars are not designed for anything beyond E10 or E15. I could put E85 in my Silverado with no issues, but I can't put it in our 4Runner. Your car has to be designed to recognize high ethenol content and adjust the ECM to compensate. I think there's also a change in the rubber/gasket compounds for the fuel system in the E85 motors but I'm not sure.
TBH I don't like running E85. I have 3-4 local gas stations that sell regular 87 unleaded E-0. My vehicles don't run faster with that stuff, but it they get way better fuel economy. Our Yukon and 4Runner easily get 23 or 24 on flat highway on E-0.....both would not get 21 on E-10 or E-15.
This post was edited on 4/14/25 at 9:06 am
Posted on 4/14/25 at 9:10 am to billjamin
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I wouldn’t have any concerns about reliability on e85 if the car is rated for it
Neither would I, but the asterisk is if the car is used a lot. I wouldn't want E85 sitting in the tank for extended periods. It tends to result in more water in the tank from small bits of condensation. Just like I don't like leaving even E-10 in the tank of smaller engines over the winter....
This post was edited on 4/14/25 at 9:14 am
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