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re: Karen Read murder trial

Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:22 pm to
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:22 pm to
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I believe she was at her house when she ran that search. The ping at the time of the google search was from her house


So what is your take away from this?
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:29 pm to
So did yall keep watching today. Judge just decided a deliberate violation of the Rules of Conduct on defense. She will voir dire the Arcaa folks friday. So no witnesses Friday.
This means Arcaa may or may not be able to testify.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13072 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:36 pm to
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You think that the most likely scenario is that he went into the house, was attacked, a dog bit/scratched him, and then like 12 people were involved in covering up the incident?

I'm not saying that isn't what happened, I'm just saying that isn't the most likely scenario.

I think it's extremely possible that not everyone in that house even knew that John O'Keefe was there. He could have walked in, saw 2-3 people, then gone down to the basement with them. Then something happened in the basement and he wasn't moved outside until everyone had left. That's not far fetched.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
117187 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:42 pm to
Can people go back and watch each day of the trail? During the day I only get to see small parts of it and I am trying to piece things together.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:45 pm to
Yes
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 3:47 pm to
quote:

I think it's extremely possible that not everyone in that house even knew that John O'Keefe was there. He could have walked in, saw 2-3 people, then gone down to the basement with them. Then something happened in the basement and he wasn't moved outside until everyone had left. That's not far fetched.


That's pretty much the defense's theory. I agree.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 5:36 pm to
Jackson told the jury John went in the house. I wonder if we hear something new on that other than the slip made by the McCabe daughter.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14491 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 5:51 pm to
He said an eye witness will say he went into the house. That was an eye raising statement. I wonder if that is Higgins but I don’t think Jackson would say that if it was just Higgins statement about a tall man entering the house. Very intrigued to see who that will be.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13072 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:08 pm to
I’m very curious as to what he was referring to. I originally thought the eyewitness proof could just be the snowplow driver saying he didn’t see John outside. That’s a stretch though saying it’s proof that he went inside.
Posted by jclem11
Chief Nihilist
Member since Nov 2011
8915 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:21 pm to
Auntie Bev gotta keep sweeping for the CW. She is all in on getting KR convicted.

Free KR and impeach Auntie Bev!
Posted by Breadcrumbs
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2005
3006 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:47 pm to
Help me compile the reasonable doubt...

Coroner says he wasn't hit
correction ETA: Dr. Irini Scordi-Bello, testified that John O'Keefe's death was caused by blunt impact injuries to the head and hypothermia. She also stated that she could not determine the manner of death, despite reviewing police reconstruction of a crash they claim killed O'Keefe.

Jen McCabe googled "hos long to die in the cold" at 2:27am the day of the murders and deleted it. Prosecution claims search happened at 6:23am after finding JOK

Sergeant Nicholas Baros of the Dayton Police, who said the taillight was cracked and a piece was missing but not completely damaged. Maureen Hartnett, a forensic scientist, also testified about the taillight damage on Read's SUV. Trooper Michael Proctor also mentioned the taillight, describing it as cracked.

Sallyport video of inspector looking at KR's car is inverted, concealing his "inspection" of the taillight, or was it a "camera setting" or malfunction. It was conducted at Canton police HQ where Brian Albert's brother, Kevin, is a detective with the Canton Police Department, a conflict of interest.

Higgins drove to a military base and threw his sim card and cell phone away at a military base dumpster one day before he received a court order to preserve the phone

Allie McCabe and Colin McAlbert's phones were never extracted or requested to be extracted. There's a screenshot of a text proving alibi but that could have been altered. Phone was not preserved.

Investigators failed to properly secure and protect the crime scene. key evidence not being properly secured or collected (paper bags and solo cups).
Inside of house was not searched initially.

the collection of taillight fragments occurred over a period of about three weeks. Initially, the State Police Emergency Response Team (SERT) found several pieces at the scene, and then more fragments were found by others, including Canton Police Chief Burkowitz. The defense has argued that these fragments may have been planted.

Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor, the lead investigator in the Karen Read case, was fired in March 2025. The trial board found him guilty of violating agency rules, specifically for sending derogatory and inappropriate texts, sharing confidential information, and consuming alcohol while on duty.

ARCCA They were hired by the feds and their report shows that JOK couldn't been hit by a car like the CW is proving

a German shepherd mix with a violent history lived at the Canton home near where John O'Keefe's body was found. It was rehomed shortly after the death of JOK. no canine DNA was found on JOK



This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 8:22 pm
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
86301 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:52 pm to
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So what is your take away from this?


Personally, I think she is involved is my takeaway. She wasn’t a participant but sure as hell was involved in either moving OJO or was present at the beating. I also believe he got his arse kicked inside 34 Fairview and when shite hit the fan, the dog got in on the action as well.

He was a semi tall dude @ 6’2. If her SUV in fact hit him (at a strange angle mind you), he would have all kinds of crushed organs - busted liver, busted spleen l, broken ribs, broken hip etc. to my knowledge, that hasn’t been addressed but I haven’t read the official autopsy either so perhaps it’s in there.

Ready for the meat of the trial to get underway
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14491 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:02 pm to
You have quite a few errors in those facts.
Posted by Breadcrumbs
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2005
3006 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:18 pm to
quote:

You have quite a few errors in those facts.


Help me. I'm trying to remember
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
117187 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:19 pm to
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Personally, I think she is involved is my takeaway. She wasn’t a participant but sure as hell was involved in either moving OJO or was present at the beating. I also believe he got his arse kicked inside 34 Fairview and when shite hit the fan, the dog got in on the action as well.



This is my take. I think she is innocent and had nothing to do with it. She has been adamant about proving she is innocent. I feel like if she had anything to do with it at all she wouldn't have agreed to do the HBO documentary. If she thought there was any chance of anything coming up that would suggest she was involved she wouldn't have taken the chance of making this a much bigger story.

I know it was already a big story, but I know I am now following because of the HBO documentary.

That night Karen brings him to the Albert house, he gets out and tells her to stay in the car. She waits and waits, calls him and he doesn't answer. She doesn't hear from him again. Later on that night (well early morning) he is found dead outside of the Alberts house.

You have the Albert sister in law who search for dying in cold weather, you have the lead investigator who is close to the Albert family. O'keefe's body had, what looked like dog bites, on it. The Alberts owned a German Shepard mix at the time, but then months later they just up and decided to rehome it. The Alberts did a good job getting rid of any type of evidence that could prove someone in that house killed O'keefe. That's all they need. Just make sure they can't prove it. Frame Karen, but if that doesn't work at least make sure there is nothing that can tie it back to them.

I think if Karen knew what happened to him, even if she had something to do with it, she would have tried to get a deal out of it and she would have been "inside the loop". If she knew something and they were involved the relationship between her and the Alberts would have been different.
Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
4550 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:19 pm to
Wouldn't you state them, instead of just saying they're wrong?
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14491 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:31 pm to
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McCabe texted hos long to die in the cold and deleted it


Google search not text

quote:

Higgins or McCabe threw his sim card and phone away at a military base dumpster


Brian Higgins and Brian Albert not mccabe.

quote:

JOK's arm wounds have baloney on it


No idea where this is from

quote:

red and clear taillights get collected over course of 3 weeks in unprotected crime zone


10 days not 3 weeks
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79083 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:35 pm to
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No idea where this is from


Reference to the swine DNA found on JOK
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14491 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:38 pm to
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Reference to the swine DNA found on JOK


Oh that probably isn’t really reasonable doubt just something that makes you ask why.
Posted by Dandy Chiggins
Member since Jan 2021
671 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:50 pm to
The bite wounds had pork DNA.
Defense theory is that many dog treats and chew toys contain pork.

So I think it does go to reasonable doubt in that the most likely thing to cause a bite type wound is a dog not a taillight.
The most likely way for pork to get into a bite type would is probably from dna remaining on the dogs teeth.certainly not from a car.

Etc etc etc….
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