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re: Karen Read murder trial
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:52 pm to Dandy Chiggins
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:52 pm to Dandy Chiggins
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Defense theory is that many dog treats and chew toys contain pork.
That is not the theory of the defense. The clothes was wrapped up in butcher paper apparently.
If the pork DNA was from a dog you would also have dog DNA present.
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:10 pm to civiltiger07
Ummm the defense specifically mentioned that a dog could have been involved in part of the attack. And that the bite wounds could have come from a dog.
And they questioned what kind of dog it was and when why it was rehomed.
So yes; while the defense didn’t say “This pork dna is clearly indicative that a dog with pork on its teeth bit JOK and that is our specific theory”
for me pork DNA certainly indicated that a dog could have been involved.
And they questioned what kind of dog it was and when why it was rehomed.
So yes; while the defense didn’t say “This pork dna is clearly indicative that a dog with pork on its teeth bit JOK and that is our specific theory”
for me pork DNA certainly indicated that a dog could have been involved.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:14 pm to civiltiger07
I rewrote the reasonable doubt list I began a page back. Mainly it's a bunch of errors of investigation and conflicts of interest. Should be enough.
the prosecution evidence proving she did it:
there was one JOK hair on the taillight
tailight pieces are in the yard
taillight pieces embedded in JOK's shirt
Jen McCabe and paramedic recall her saying "I hit him" over and over when they found his body the next morning
the prosecution evidence proving she did it:
there was one JOK hair on the taillight
tailight pieces are in the yard
taillight pieces embedded in JOK's shirt
Jen McCabe and paramedic recall her saying "I hit him" over and over when they found his body the next morning
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:14 pm to Dandy Chiggins
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Ummm the defense specifically mentioned that a dog could have been involved in part of the attack.
I bet you they will not bring up the pork DNA as proof in trial 2 that OJO was bit by a dog.
Is it proof of poor evidence handling yes
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:16 pm to civiltiger07
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If the pork DNA was from a dog you would also have dog DNA present.
This would actually be helpful if the ME actually swabbed the wounds, or if we knew who and where the swabs from the clothes came from (after sitting room temp, where DNA degrades).
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:18 pm to KosmoCramer
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This would actually be helpful if the ME actually swabbed the wounds, or if we knew who and where the swabs from the clothes came from (after sitting room temp, where DNA degrades).
This too. We don’t even know if the pork dna came from the area where OJO was bit by the dog.
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:19 pm to civiltiger07
You seem to know it pretty well; thoughts on this…..
Another thing that bothered me is the sheer logistics. The defense never made a point out of it that I saw; but the logistics don’t make any sense:
1. KR was in the driveway. Both sides testified to that. Yet JOK was found at the complete other side of the yard.
Did he walk to the other side of the yard for no reason whatsoever; why would he be near the street at all? then….
2. KR, drunk as a skunk, backs out of the driveway and gets up to 25 mph in reverse and hits him. JOK is standing there watching and just lets her get up to 24 mph and drill him?
3. Assuming he stood still……
Driving a car sober at 10 mph in reverse isn’t normal. 25 mph in reverse is difficult; while drunk and hitting a target seems like it would be a pretty hard.
Another thing that bothered me is the sheer logistics. The defense never made a point out of it that I saw; but the logistics don’t make any sense:
1. KR was in the driveway. Both sides testified to that. Yet JOK was found at the complete other side of the yard.
Did he walk to the other side of the yard for no reason whatsoever; why would he be near the street at all? then….
2. KR, drunk as a skunk, backs out of the driveway and gets up to 25 mph in reverse and hits him. JOK is standing there watching and just lets her get up to 24 mph and drill him?
3. Assuming he stood still……
Driving a car sober at 10 mph in reverse isn’t normal. 25 mph in reverse is difficult; while drunk and hitting a target seems like it would be a pretty hard.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:21 pm to Dandy Chiggins
I don't believe they allege she was in the driveway.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:25 pm to Dandy Chiggins
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KR was in the driveway. Both sides testified to that. Yet JOK was found at the complete other side of the yard.
All the testimony has been that she was in the road. McCabe texted OJO to “pull up behind her vehicle” but Karen never did and stayed in the street.
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JOK is standing there watching and just lets her get up to 24 mph and drill him?
This is absolutely something that makes you say well that doesn’t make any sense.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:26 pm to Dandy Chiggins
I thought she was in the road, then someone in a truck drove up behind her so she pulled up in the road further while the truck stayed in the road by the driveway. The person the truckdriver was picking up decided to stay so the truck drove around KR in the road and said the light was on and she was alone.
The backing up I thought was alleged by the prosecution to be a 3 point turn she did where she hit him by the flag pole. The defense claims it to be the tow truck driver.
The backing up I thought was alleged by the prosecution to be a 3 point turn she did where she hit him by the flag pole. The defense claims it to be the tow truck driver.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:18 pm to Dandy Chiggins
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1. KR was in the driveway. Both sides testified to that. Yet JOK was found at the complete other side of the yard.
When did both sides testify to this?
Posted on 4/22/25 at 11:31 pm to civiltiger07
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Google search not text
I am only saying this because they mentioned something about it, but she actually used firefox.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 7:50 am to OweO
You can search something on google using a Firefox browser if that’s what you’re getting at.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:17 am to LSBoosie
To me the entire case can depend on when McCabe made her search for "hos long to die in cold". The defense expert says it was around 2:30am (I can't quote the exact time).. The prosecutions expert claims it was around 6am (again I can't quote the exact time)...
To me this is the key factor. If you prove that search was made at 2:30am, the entire case is over.. She'd have no reason to make that search at that time unless Okeefe was just placed in the yard.
Surely someone from either side has obtained an exact phone with the exact operating system McCabe was using and tested this themselves right??
ETA- If I'm on the jury, this would be paramount and ultimately decide which way I vote.
To me this is the key factor. If you prove that search was made at 2:30am, the entire case is over.. She'd have no reason to make that search at that time unless Okeefe was just placed in the yard.
Surely someone from either side has obtained an exact phone with the exact operating system McCabe was using and tested this themselves right??
ETA- If I'm on the jury, this would be paramount and ultimately decide which way I vote.
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 8:19 am
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:27 am to JDPndahizzy
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Surely someone from either side has obtained an exact phone with the exact operating system McCabe was using and tested this themselves right?
one of the experts did do exactly this in their testing. Guess which expert did that testing?
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:49 am to civiltiger07
I'm guessing it was the defense.?
Based on memory; didn't the defense expert say the iOS version the prosecution tested was the wrong one?
Based on memory; didn't the defense expert say the iOS version the prosecution tested was the wrong one?
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:54 am to Dandy Chiggins
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Based on memory; didn't the defense expert say the iOS version the prosecution tested was the wrong one?
I think I remember that too.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:58 am to JDPndahizzy
shite.. Witness is already testifying. I forget were in a different time zone.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:00 am to Dandy Chiggins
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I'm guessing it was the defense.?
Yep, Richard Green (defense expert) got the same phone with the same IOS on it and did the testing.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:03 am to civiltiger07
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Yep, Richard Green (defense expert) got the same phone with the same IOS on it and did the testing.
Legitimate question, how do they know exactly what IOS was on her phone at the time of all of this happening?
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