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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:15 am to
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
24507 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:15 am to
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Putin has lost this war and his economy is slipping out from under him. Time is on Kyiv's side.




Pure dumbass or Propaganda?

I have never witnessed the absolute delusion from the Troskyite neocons and Zelenskyite leftists that I see in this thread. It is mindblowing. Hard to believe there are people this naive, stupid and so out of touch with reality.

This thread is golden.
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 8:22 am
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
1882 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:33 am to
Putin wants to strengthen the cover-up so has told his shine boy what he wants done.
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The Trump administration fired a coordinator responsible for collecting data on war crimes committed by Russia during its full-scale war against Ukraine, the Washington Post (WP) reported on April 22, citing its undisclosed sources.

The news comes as the U.S. is trying to get Russia and Ukraine to sign a deal to end the all-out war while steadily scaling down its support of Kyiv. The White House also disbanded the Justice Department's War Crimes Accountability Team, headed by a coordinator, and dismantled a program to seize assets of sanctioned Russian oligarchs, the WP reported.

The Russian war crimes coordinator position was created in accordance with a law co-authored by then-Congressman Mike Waltz, the current national security advisor to U.S. President Donald Trump.
Shameless traitor.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
4278 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:34 am to
Volodymyr Zelenskyy /
@ZelenskyyUa
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Doctors in the Dnipro region are currently providing all necessary assistance to those injured this morning in a Russian FPV drone strike.

It was an egregiously brutal attack – and an absolutely deliberate war crime. In the city of Marhanets the Russians struck a bus which was transporting workers of a mining and processing plant. An ordinary bus. Clearly a civilian object, a civilian target. More than 40 people were injured, most of them women, and some received very severe wounds. Tragically, 9 people were killed. My condolences go out to their families and loved ones.

Such Russian FPV drone strikes on civilians, sadly, are commonplace. Civilians in Kherson and the region, in Kupyansk, Pokrovsk, and communities in the Dnipro region – Nikopol and Marhanets – suffer the most from this kind of terror. These attacks happen practically on a daily basis. The Russians even showboat about them, posting footage of strikes on civilians online. The whole world should take this seriously – if the Russians are using this form of terror, other terrorists may adopt it too. That’s one of the reasons continued Russian aggression is a global threat. War evolves over time, and the longer it lasts, the more, unfortunately, the methods of killing and cruelty can be modernized.

In Ukraine, we insist on an immediate, full, and unconditional ceasefire. That was the proposal put forward by the United States on March 11 of this year — and it was absolutely reasonable. This is absolutely possible – but only if Russia agrees and stops the killing. On Easter, we succeeded in reducing the intensity of hostilities, and there were no air raid alerts. Ukraine proposed extending this state of silence for at least 30 days and making the ceasefire comprehensive. We are also ready for an immediate ceasefire at least for civilian targets, and we have repeatedly announced this. Preserving lives must be a shared top priority for all partners.

There was a meeting with partners in Paris. Today, discussions continue in London – Ukraine’s delegation has already begun its meetings. Ukraine has repeatedly said that it does not rule out any format that can lead to a ceasefire and, ultimately, real peace. Stopping the killing is task number one. I am grateful to everyone who is focused on this goal and helps us move toward ending the war.

Peace can come in silence, and the first sign of silence is the absence of terror.


This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 8:35 am
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
1882 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:45 am to
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How many Russian ships has Ukraine sent to the bottom of the Black Sea?

Thanks for asking. This list doesn't include anything from this year as the Russian navy, other than firing long range (very long range) missiles at kindergartens and old age homes, has now run away from any hint of combat in the Black Sea.

Wow.

Duck Ivan!
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
39955 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:49 am to
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I have never witnessed the absolute delusion from the Troskyite neocons and Zelenskyite leftists that I see in this thread. It is mindblowing. Hard to believe there are people this naive, stupid and so out of touch with reality.


But you keto coming back. Do you also visit mental wards on weekends?

Seriously, neither Ukraine or Russia csn maintain this. Ukraine will cave if they lose their will to defend themselves. I see no sign of that.

Russia like the US in Vietnam can go a long ways, but like the US, they can not go on forever. They will eventually lose their will to keep it up if Ukraine doesn’t first.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
39955 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:56 am to
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Thanks for asking. This list doesn't include anything from this year as the Russian navy, other than firing long range (very long range) missiles at kindergartens and old age homes, has now run away from any hint of combat in the Black Sea.


You linked an article from Newsweek. Newsweek is based in New York. They can’t have sources in Crimea, the Black Sea or Ukraine!!!!

Right?????!

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
11838 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:03 am to
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Pure dumbass or Propaganda?


Neither, the Dumbasses are John Barron and the Portlandia Tranny lover along with their friends.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
11838 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:05 am to
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You linked an article from Newsweek. Newsweek is based in New York. They can’t have sources in Crimea, the Black Sea or Ukraine!!!!

Right?????!


The long ranges are from ships in the Caspian Sea, not the Black Sea.
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
11753 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:07 am to
John Barron isn't a dumbass. That account has a purpose and is following it's purpose.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
39955 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:40 am to
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John Barron isn't a dumbass. That account has a purpose and is following its purpose.


Correct, they are well orchestrated, well funded and it isn’t run by dummies.
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
12870 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:24 am to
The Russian Armed Forces may launch an offensive in the Kherson region and also become more active in Zaporizhia, said Vladislav Voloshin, a representative of the Southern Defense Forces.

"An increase in the number of assault groups is also being recorded in the Dnieper direction in the area of ??the settlement of Oleshky. Therefore, we do not rule out the intensification of assault actions directly in the Zaporizhia region, as well as an increase in enemy activity in the Kherson direction," Voloshin said.

As for the Zaporizhia region, according to Voloshin, the Russian army transferred additional forces there during the Easter truce and continues assaults on the Gulyai-Polye, Novopavlovsk and Orekhovsky sections of the front.


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Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
5125 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:40 am to
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I think they have sources in Moscow, but that’s just a logical thought.



When you read any media that is based in a foreign country, especially when it is (or was) funded by another country, you have to think about the type of sources they are likely to have.

Like if MSNBC had a Russia correspondent their sources would probably be telling them there's this groundswell of grassroots LGBT support in Moscow, the people are mad at Putin, etc etc. And they aren't lying... thats what their sources are telling them. And the source isn't even lying, that is reality as they see it. But if you look with broader lenses you know that probably isn't an accurate depiction of the broad consensus in Moscow.

Just another example of how slanted news sources can really skew your reality even if they aren't lying.

Its way too hard to navigate what is and what isn't valuable information in today's day and age. Information quantity skyrocketed and quality plummeted.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
5125 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:42 am to
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Russia like the US in Vietnam can go a long ways, but like the US, they can not go on forever. They will eventually lose their will to keep it up if Ukraine doesn’t first.


This was actually means something to average Russians. I think the comparisons to Vietnam are misguided. The best outcome we were ever going to get in Vietnam is that it would be governed by people we like. Russia is likely going to end up with some territorial gains that are pretty strategically important for themselves.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
5125 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:45 am to
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Good to see at least one Republican unaffected by TDS and speaking truth to the traitors.


Nikki Haley is a fricking warhawk

She is just John Bolton but frickable
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
39955 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:48 am to
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Its way too hard to navigate what is and what isn't valuable information in today's day and age. Information quantity skyrocketed and quality plummeted.


I agree. It’s hard to separate fact from fiction.
But I wouldn’t dismiss the Moscow News as a legitimate source because they no longer were in Moscow. In fact I’d suspect they would likely have inside sources..

Now that doesn’t mean they aren’t anti Putin. They probably are to a certain degree.

This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 11:07 am
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
11985 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:51 am to
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I have never witnessed the absolute delusion from the Troskyite neocons and Zelenskyite leftists that I see in this thread. It is mindblowing. Hard to believe there are people this naive, stupid and so out of touch with reality.

So, you feel this way about people who believe that Russia is losing this war, and that its economy is in a perilous state being cut off from its biggest customers?

Considering the current state of the war, and considering Russia's history of decline, expansion, revolution, and collapsee -- those aren't extreme views.

You may disagree with them. But that doesn't mean their viewpoint is "naive, stupid, and out of touch with reality."

If anything the people who thought Russia was going to roll over Ukraine in less than a month turned out to be the ones out of touch.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
7641 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 11:07 am to
I'm still waiting for Russia to capitalize on ANY of the 122,349 posts JB has made about Russia breaking through at some place or another.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
39955 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 11:09 am to
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If anything the people who thought Russia was going to roll over Ukraine in less than a month turned out to be the ones out of touch.


Count me in that number, but three years and two months later Russia is still slogging along.

It is obvious now Russia picked the wrong fight.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
5125 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 11:41 am to
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Considering the current state of the war, and considering Russia's history of decline, expansion, revolution, and collapsee -- those aren't extreme views.



Russia has also historically fought attritional style warfare. "We are willing to lose a lot of people so that you lose more than you can sustain to lose" has been their MO for a very long time. This is very much an attritional war at this point.

I guess the trillion dollar question becomes: how much of the war being an attritional war is because Russia can't do much of anything else, vs how much of it is because it is actually what they want to do? I don't think anyone can really know that.

I also think the "He can't stop or blah blah blah will happen" takes are off base. He "won't" stop because he thinks he is winning. If it were a situation where he *had* to stop he has an easy out blaming it on NATO intervention against Russia.

So if he won't stop an attritional war, I believe he is ok fighting it out as an attritional war because he thinks or knows he will eventually win.

The economic stuff is relevant, absolutely. But a lot of economic consequences can be band-aided over by a wartime economy. They might be absolutely fricked afterwards, but I maintain that Ukraine and the West would be better served working toward a solution now that feels kind of bad in the present vs being forced into something even worse down the road.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
3068 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 11:46 am to
Two things can be true here.

It’s likely Russia is only offering to freeze the lines because they know they can’t keep going and/or are about to lose initiative.

It’s also likely that Ukraine should agree to cessation.


A big concern for a cease fire was that Russia could just regroup. If Russia is truly on the precipice of a disadvantage, it’s not a bad idea to make this hot war go cold.

Gives Ukraine time to build manufacturing, materials, and overall deterrence. Now if Russia starts attaching conditions, frick that.
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 11:46 am
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