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re: Louisiana guts net metering for Solar which kills the industry in Louisiana
Posted on 9/16/19 at 8:13 am to Macavity92
Posted on 9/16/19 at 8:13 am to Macavity92
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Really? You get to buy from the utility at wholesale? Where do I sign up?
Are you just going to ignore transmission and distribution losses?
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 8:20 am to fightin tigers
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Funny, because we are uniquely positioned with a lot of cogen units at our disposal to allow a small time energy seller to disrupt the market.
If you want to talk about a much more real issue at the PSC, cogen and CHP is a good starting point. Go look back at how many times the utilities have been granted exceptions to sell to plants below avoided cost to stop those plants from becoming a cogen producer.
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 8:30 am
Posted on 9/16/19 at 8:20 am to Martini
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They are all subsidized
That's not the point. Take away subsidies from all of them (which should happen) and there is no profitable solar industry
Posted on 9/16/19 at 8:23 am to baldona
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Let’s not act like they are taking my energy and taking it across the state, it’s going straight to my neighbors house next door. That’s not ‘all kinds of wires to maintain’.
That is a very good point in regards to remote generation, but your 1 kWh doesn't make it to your neighbor as 1 kWh. You cannot ignore the inefficiencies in the line and transformers that it will end up passing through on the way to your neighbor's house.
Frankly, the net-metering rate should be somewhere between the numbers that the utility goons and solar grifters want.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 8:25 am to rblank6061
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Exactly. Entergy did not encounter any overhead or maintenance cost when I became a part-time electricity provider to help them with a little more capacity.
That's true, but their overhead and O&M costs also don't go down, either, thus non-solar users are burdened with your share in a 1-1 net-metering situation.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 9:18 am to Redbone
You’re just gonna parrot fake news?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 9:19 am to Golfer
Why should the utility be forced to buy electricity at retail rates from a supplier?
Because the utilities sell the exact same product to YOU at retail.
Because the utilities sell the exact same product to YOU at retail.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:07 am to Jester
How about this for you Solar,s. Lobby and receive some sort of subsidy for solar. Install your solar and just get off the grid ! Would that be a fair deal?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:23 am to Golfer
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If I cut down a pine tree and mill it into 2x4s, Home Depot would buy it from me at retail?
In the middle of the summer, when Entergy et al is struggling to keep enough juice on the grid, am I going to get paid the same inflated price they are paying other producers?
Also, if Home Depot won't give me a fair price, I can always try to sell it to Lowe's, or Ace, or to the guy across the street. Can I do that with electricity? Or does the state tell me I only have one customer?
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 10:25 am
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:41 am to kew48
OK -so you want standby service- pay a flat fee for the Utility to place the infrastructure to support you( Generation/Transmission/Distribution/O&M) and only pay an energy (Fuel and Conversion fee-Heat Rate) charge when you need support. This latter fee is an Avoided Cost charge which is being discussed as an appropriate fee to pay for solar?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:48 am to kew48
Honestly the most important reason Tax payers should be okay with subsidizing home owners to get paid back, is for the technology to be tested. Utilities is not free market capitalism. Its all subsidized in some form or fashion by the tax payers and government.
The best way for this tech to be studied and invested in, is by doing things like this. I'm by no means a green energy guy right now, nor do I have solar panels.
I just think the people that are selling solar power back is such a small minority that the experimenting to allow them to make a little money back is worth the cost to everyone.
The best way for this tech to be studied and invested in, is by doing things like this. I'm by no means a green energy guy right now, nor do I have solar panels.
I just think the people that are selling solar power back is such a small minority that the experimenting to allow them to make a little money back is worth the cost to everyone.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:50 am to LSUFanHouston
Deregulate the Generation(Energy) side of the business ala Texas. Leave the wires (Transmission/Distribution) side regulated. I could support that, you would then have your Lowes/ Home Depot option. If you don't like the price or service, SWITCH PROVIDERS. If its Mr. SOLAR, you would only pay him an energy charge which he should only be receiving anyway based on a competitive generation market! This is of course after he has received his subsidy from society.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:50 am to TegrityFarms
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Louisiana guts net metering for Solar
This is just another reason to get the frick out of here. Just toss it on the pile. I've already told my kids to seek colleges far away from LA and my retirement plan most certainly doesn't include living here anymore.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:51 am to LSUFanHouston
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Also, if Home Depot won't give me a fair price, I can always try to sell it to Lowe's, or Ace, or to the guy across the street. Can I do that with electricity? Or does the state tell me I only have one customer?
There is no law to prevent it that I am aware of.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:51 am to kew48
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OK -so you want standby service- pay a flat fee for the Utility to place the infrastructure to support you( Generation/Transmission/Distribution/O&M) and only pay an energy (Fuel and Conversion fee-Heat Rate) charge when you need support. This latter fee is an Avoided Cost charge which is being discussed as an appropriate fee to pay for solar?
We talked about this in a similar thread on PT, but the rate structure used in LA is way, way overdue for change. It doesn't work in today's world of energy efficiency and alternative power sources.
It's a lot like the gas tax. Having road funding provided by a tax that takes in less money as vehicles become more efficient (and electric) makes no sense.
The PSC / Entergy / other companies need to re-do their rate model. Charge a higher base/monthly fee for our pro-rata share of poles and wires. Then charge me your price for electricity I use.
It's not the customer's fault that our PSC / Entergy is in the relative stone ages when it comes to this stuff.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:51 am to LSUFanHouston
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In the middle of the summer, when Entergy et al is struggling to keep enough juice on the grid, am I going to get paid the same inflated price they are paying other producers?
At most you should receive the average of what Entergy is paying for electricity on the market.
If you don’t like that, then sell your excess to someone else.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:53 am to cave canem
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There is no law to prevent it that I am aware of.
So I'm allowed to build my own transmission system and transport my electricity to other people?
You sure about that?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:54 am to doubleb
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At most you should receive the average of what Entergy is paying for electricity on the market.
That's fair. But that's not the rule that was passed.
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If you don’t like that, then sell your excess to someone else.
Again, the state is going to let me build my own transmission system to get the power to "someone else"?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:58 am to Meauxjeaux
quote:because the sales model was designed to prey on low income customers
90% of Louisiana rooftop solar is in New Orleans East. Why is that?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:03 am to TegrityFarms
This will be unpopular, but here goes...
A power company’s rates are determined by costs and investment by the company to an approved return on investment determined by the PUC.
Why should the power companies be forced to pay generating customers dollar for dollar the same amount as the power company charges when these customers don’t have the overhead the power company does. What entitles the generating customer to a significantly larger ROI than the power company? They should be the same.
Charge retail for all kWh delivered and pay the customer for kWh generated in excess at a rate reflective of a similar ROI.
It makes no business sense to pay 1:1
A power company’s rates are determined by costs and investment by the company to an approved return on investment determined by the PUC.
Why should the power companies be forced to pay generating customers dollar for dollar the same amount as the power company charges when these customers don’t have the overhead the power company does. What entitles the generating customer to a significantly larger ROI than the power company? They should be the same.
Charge retail for all kWh delivered and pay the customer for kWh generated in excess at a rate reflective of a similar ROI.
It makes no business sense to pay 1:1
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