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re: Pope Francis has Died
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:41 am to LSUJuice
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:41 am to LSUJuice
quote:bishops have to get permission from the Vatican to have a traditional Latin Mass in their diocese. Any priest ordained after 2021, who wants to say the Latin Mass, has to get permission from the Vatican
He added some rules about who and when it can be celebrated, he didn't ban it.
In essence, it’s been banned
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Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:42 am to Wally Sparks
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…African pope may be the way to go.
In both the Roman and Anglican expressions of Christ’s Church they have been consistently the traditionalist orthodox conservatives. In America when The Episcopal Church USA went full blown heresy and the faithful could stand no more and left the denomination many turned to African Bishops for Episcopal oversight.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:48 am to LSUJuice
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He added some rules about who and when it can be celebrated, he didn't ban it. A lot is still left up to the bishops.
Sure. But he prohibited bishops from establishing new Tridentine Mass groups. Priests have to gain permission from their bishops to celebrate the Mass, yes, but the bishops are then required to consult the Vatican before granting it.
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Making sure the Church remains universal is a good thing.
Yes. And also, making sure the Church’s traditions remain intact is a good thing. Just because the “universe” is becoming more secularized, doesn’t mean the church should too.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:48 am to GreenRockTiger
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In essence, it’s been banned
So it's a foregone conclusion that the Vatican won't grant permission? I'm genuinely asking. I've been under the assumption that there are more nuances than I'm familiar with, so I was giving the Vatican the benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:51 am to TigersWin88
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It is a ceremonial ritual, which makes keeping a tradition that has lasted for more than 1600 years an important essence
Priests could be married for the first 1000 years of the Catholic Church, so I guess you're ok w married priests as well?
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:53 am to TigersWin88
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I believe the option for either should remain. The Catholic Mass has a lot of qualities to it, and while “teaching” may be one of them, it isn’t the primary intention. Mass is a celebration of prayer and worship. It is a ceremonial ritual, which makes keeping a tradition that has lasted for more than 1600 years an important essence.
Like I said, the old mass is more than just “speaking in Latin.” It should sadden any Catholic, that while restricting the Tridentine Mass from being celebrated, that in a century or two, the mass could die out altogether. Tradition is the reason the faith has survived for so long. Destroying it, by some, can be viewed as sacrilegious.
The Latin Mass was a way of the clergy to keep control over the masses since the masses couldn't understand Latin.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:53 am to pankReb
I am Catholic and never understood the worship of priests, bishops, or popes.
They just normal people like everyone else. Put their pants on one leg at a time.
Let them get married and they may stop diddling kids too. Never understood that.
I guess i'm not really catholic at all, just on paper.
They just normal people like everyone else. Put their pants on one leg at a time.
Let them get married and they may stop diddling kids too. Never understood that.
I guess i'm not really catholic at all, just on paper.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:54 am to junior
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Priests could be married for the first 1000 years of the Catholic Church, so I guess you're ok w married priests as well?
I know its not popular with some but I would be perfectly fine with allowing priests to be married.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:57 am to junior
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Priests could be married for the first 1000 years of the Catholic Church, so I guess you're ok w married priests as well?
And it’s been banned for nearly a thousand years as well. Doctrinally, I stand with the church’s decision in 1139.
But personally, I tend to side with the old tradition and the Orthodox Church on this matter. Their priests can be married, so long as they were married before ordination.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:01 am to LSUJuice
quote:the permission the Vatican has granted since 2021 has been temporary - and I know in one place it would not be renewed
So it's a foregone conclusion that the Vatican won't grant permission?
The letter, Traditionis Custodes, states that the Latin Mass shouldn’t be in church parishes - some bishops interpret that as there can’t be any ‘new’ Latin masses in church parishes. An update and clarification was sent out a few years ago. But most dioceses just don’t want to deal with it.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:04 am to pankReb
A piece of shite who propped up a dictator, sold out his own priests, and continued to hide pedophiles. Good riddance.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:06 am to PhilipMarlowe
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This thread will have a number of “Christians” celebrating this news. SAD.
For Christians, death is not a bad thing and something to be celebrated.
Jorge has to answer for his sins now before God, however since we just celebrated the death of Jesus dying for all our sins, he will find a place in heaven if he accepts Jesus as his savior.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:09 am to DarthRebel
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Jorge has to answer for his sins now before God, however since we just celebrated the death of Jesus dying for all our sins, he will find a place in heaven if he accepts Jesus as his savior.
I'm pretty sure the pope accepted Jesus as his savior
Many of us just disagree with him in his approach and on a wide variety of issues
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:12 am to GreenRockTiger
Got it. Seems like it would be easy to let parishes have one TLM as long as the rest of the masses were in the vernacular.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:13 am to LSUJuice
Is there a chance he died on Easter and they’re covering it up?
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:15 am to TigersWin88
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Their priests can be married, so long as they were married before ordination.
What's the deal with the no marriage thing? Is the idea that a priest's dedication to Jesus could be lessened as his heart would be shared with a wife?
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:18 am to mmmmmbeeer
quote:over 1000 years ago the church couldn’t pay a decent wage to priest with a wife and a gazillion children
What's the deal with the no marriage thing?
Priests still get paid terribly nowadays.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:19 am to XenScott
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Traditionally, the Catholic Church teaches that salvation is achieved through faith in Jesus Christ and adherence to his teachings.
This part is Gospel
that salvation is achieved through faith in Jesus Christ
This part is not
adherence to his teachings
While it is highly suggested to follow path of Christ, it is not a requirement. John 3:16 is pretty clear on the topic.
Acts 4:10-12 and Isaiah 64:6 also reinforce, not amount of good deeds will get you into Heaven and it is only through Faith in Jesus.
There is a deeper question though, if you are still pursuing a sinful life, are you are true believer in Christ? We are all going to find out one day.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:20 am to OysterPoBoy
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Pope Francis has Diedby OysterPoBoy
Is there a chance he died on Easter and they’re covering it up?
He was probably under hospice care. Based on my experience with it, a dying person is often strongest in their last couple of days, as the body begins to marshall resources for the primary body functions. He probably did the mass then crashed.
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