re: Question about the Algerian shemale boxer:

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You believe the Algerian government sent a trans person to represent Algeria in the Olympics?

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Transgender was meant to be used to go beyond the 2 genders. It can cover cases of intersex. What most think of trans today are just mental illness cases, but XY intersex can still gain some athletic advantages if they chose to live as a female or had that chosen for them at birth or soon after.

If doctor and parents screwed up decision at birth with a deformed or underdeveloped penis at birth (or from a botched procedure) do you think an Algerian doctor is going to still label the baby as it’s correct sex on birth certificate or list what they chose?

Some doctors may not even tell parents if it’s extremely underdeveloped or even be educated enough to know themselves.

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No one is saying that person should be allowed to compete

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I am. But 100% understand and the argument against her competing by some like Salmon

My “best” analogy is Phelps’s. It’s pretty crystal clear he has Marfans syndrome which gave him a massive genetic advantage over those he competed against. Yet we let him compete.

At what point is genetic advantages ok and what point are they not? That’s the great area. Pretending it’s crystal clear one way or the other is ignorance to me

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I am. But 100% understand and the argument against her competing by some like Salmon

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Fair enough.

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agree with this. The Italian boxer handled it poorly. She should have boycotted it from the start but instead she made a huge spectacle of herself. Also it should be noted the Italian boxer has a history of being a little bitch that's afraid to get punched for some reason even though she took up boxing.

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And she's a fricking cop! Maybe she only has to respond to calls involving women in Italy, but in the US she better be ready to throw down - female, male, or intersex.

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If doctor and parents screwed up decision at birth with a deformed or underdeveloped penis at birth (or from a botched procedure) do you think an Algerian doctor is going to still label the baby as it’s correct sex on birth certificate or list what they chose?

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I would think an Algerian doctor would’ve labeled the certificate male since boys are more valued over there.

In the early 2000s i worked in the research dept of a hospital and a child was born with both parts - but testing was done and the baby had girl chromosomes and the penis was not functional. The parents wanted a boy but the doctors advised against it.

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boycotted it from the start

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I agree and I'll go as.far as all of the females should have boycotted. They shouldn't have to fight someone who is a man at birth or a person who has an over abundance of testosterone enough to get disqualified from the 2022 world championships from competing regardless what they were born with.

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If she has a disorder along the lines of androgen insensitivity syndrome, then the fact that she produces testosterone does not mean that she will get the advantages associated with secondary sex characteristics. The disorder is characterized by resistance to androgen hormones broadly. If she has this disorder, then how does she get an advantage?

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Only a complete androgen insensitivity case gets zero advantage from testosterone. Partials and Mild can benefit from their natural testosterone or added testosterone to various degrees based on the level of their disorder/syndrome.



And the effect of testosterone and estrogen is relative to actual women not to men. Actual women competing will obviously be dealing with estrogen levels as well.

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I would think an Algerian doctor would’ve labeled the certificate male since boys are more valued over there.

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BS. As much as they want a boy they don’t want a fem or a gay boy. If they think the kid is going to be feminine due to micro or undeveloped or deformed penis not being seen as masculine or if this might even “cause” him to be gay they are going to choose female from the start.

In Iran even though I know it’s a different branch of islam some gays get a sex change to avoid a hanging.

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In the early 2000s i worked in the research dept of a hospital and a child was born with both parts - but testing was done and the baby had girl chromosomes and the penis was not functional. The parents wanted a boy but the doctors advised against it.

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Was this in Algeria or some other 3rd world muslim country?

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But the development and their effect on secondary sex characteristics isn't something you can define discretely, which is why the partial and mild forms are defined the way they are.

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But there is usually an effect and that effect is likely to correlate somewhat to the mild and partial grades on a Quigley scale.

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Yiu are speaking as if you are a OBGYN from Algeria

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You are speaking as if you are a peasant from Algeria…