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re: River pilots seeking pay raise to nearly $700,000 annually despite shipping decline

Posted on 7/30/20 at 11:17 pm to
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 11:17 pm to
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tug boat captains


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River pilots



Apples to sunflower seeds
Posted by BlastOff
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2016
817 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 11:37 pm to
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CRPPA pilots are paid an average $526,958 annually and are seeking an increase to an average annual $697,000.


Also, and I could be wrong here, but the NOBRA pilot I knew said they got a transportation stipend to get from their house to the boat. Something like $250-300. He would just get his wife to drive him and pocket that money.
Posted by Nation of Buga
Sandy Eggo
Member since Aug 2014
2222 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:03 am to
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you don’t just have a dad or uncle that is a river pilot and you get to be one and make 500k right out of high school.


But it’s the only way you can even think about trying it.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 12:09 am
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
21035 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:09 am to
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You literally have to be born into a certain family to have this profession



Ok, I’ve seen this for years now, but this is just hyperbole right?
Posted by TheFlyingTiger
Member since Oct 2009
4077 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:10 am to
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An airline pilot might killl a few hundred people if they screw up, a river pilot could kill a few thousand or most of the population of a port city depending on cargo if they screw up. The training path for a airline pilot and the time required to complete it is much shorter. To be a river pilot requires a 4 year degree from a maritime academy, there are only 2 or 3 programs in the nation, being a airline pilot requires no college degree. I don’t know if that justifies the pay, but most people have no clue about the education, certification, and apprenticeship requirements to be a river pilot, it is a 10 year process, you don’t just have a dad or uncle that is a river pilot and you get to be one and make 500k right out of high school.


zero of this is correct
Posted by 3deadtrolls
lafayette
Member since Jan 2014
6325 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:56 am to
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Ok, I’ve seen this for years now, but this is just hyperbole right?


Yeah, mostly. I met a guy that got in by simply starting from the bottom and going through the schooling and training, which he said was intensive. Not related to anyone. Nepotism helps, but its not the only way.
Posted by deaconjones35
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2009
9862 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:06 am to
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:06 am to

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zero of this is correct



“One of the responsibilities of licensed river port pilots is, when a need for more pilots exists, to select individuals from a list of qualified applicants provided by the Board of River Port Pilot Commissioners. The specific requirements to be qualified by the Board of River Port Pilot Commissioners is available directly from that State Board. However, those requirements include a college degree (although not required, usually from a maritime college) and multiple United States Coast Guard licenses. The Board of River Port Pilot Commissioners operates an apprenticeship program for those selected individuals, which itself has numerous requirements and examinations. Only upon completion of that apprenticeship program and certification by the Board of River Port Pilot Commissioners is an individual recommended to the governor for appointment as a River Port Pilot.”


Eight years later, after graduating from a Maritime Academy, testing for many Coast Guard licenses, working for a major drilling company offshore, and completing an extensive Crescent River Port Pilot apprenticeship, I now proudly navigate the Mississippi River as the 4th commissioned female compulsory pilot, in the state of Louisiana. “
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 1:17 am
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
26048 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:28 am to
The State needs to tell these guys to get fricked.

Every time they want raises (every year now it seems) the pilots tell the State that it needs them for its economy, and while there may be some truth to that, they also need the State. Bc of how exclusive they've made their own profession, they cannot just pickup and move to another guild or State to work. The other guilds wouldn't have it.

As it stands right now, the two guilds that work south of NOLA don't get along with each other -- unless it involves them getting more money.

If LA was to decide to change the model and start phasing out these exclusive guilds and their demands, these guys would be absolutely fricked.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13471 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 4:11 am to

This is a bad idea. The timing is horrible.
At a time when traffic is drastically down, you don’t go asking for a raise from an already overpaid amount to an insanely overpaid amount! And it looks like the real reason is because of jealousy. “The other pilots make more than us”. Wahhhhhhhhh.... cry me a river. A Mississippi River where you can charge exorbitantly high rates to enter so you can afford to pay your mafia river pilots enough that they can afford to live in mansions and drive Ferrari’s.

Houston, mobile, savannah, are laughing at us.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
74417 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 4:32 am to
Doesn't Houston have the same high salary for pilots?
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
69659 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 5:16 am to
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they make more money than most every profession besides Doctors, CEO,'s, & pro athletes


how much do you think a doctor makes?
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13471 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:15 am to
Houston rates are somewhat murky and I think there are fewer groups than our 3 pilot organizations.
To enter the port of Houston, it’s not cheap though compared to us.

Attracting port business is highly competetive. Government and river business leaders ought to be advocating expenses be reduced at times like this. Traffic is drastically down and business along the river are suffering. We need to lower the cost to enter our port. Salary for these pilots is part of that.

The port system Is a massive industrial complex with long reaching economic tentacles.

As to the pay for these pilots in pure reasonableness-
A salary is something a business offers to attract workers. It should be commensurate with the market and the skills required to do that job. It needs to be high enough to attract the best worker available but not so high as to hinder profitability. The river pilots exist in a quasi governmental bubble. Their “bottom line” is not like a typical business. They aren’t operating as a ‘for profit’ .
The salaries they pay should be levied to attract the best available people. No question they are. Actually they’re perverted so high that they exceed the qualifications 2-3 times what they ought to be.

The only other comparison we can make is a Tug Boat captain on the miss river.
In order to become a river pilot you need to be a captain. That typically means time working As a captain on a tug. Tug captains make upwards of 200,000 at best. So that is essentially their competition salary wise. After all, a tug captain who is not accepted into the river pilot association stays working as a tug captain typically.

So there’s no way anyone can convince me that it’s harder to be a river pilot than it is to be a tug captain.


Bottom line: They’re paying far more than they need to pay to attract the best people.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 7:44 am
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
69009 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:18 am to
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you remove the barriers to entry to this bonanza, these dudes make about $130k


This is the best point to be made.
Posted by lsuson
Metairie
Member since Oct 2013
13761 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:22 am to
Yep that decrease in the amount of ships coming to port will cause an even greater strain on the pilots and fatigue will set in!
Posted by Nicky Parrish
Member since Apr 2016
7098 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:27 am to
Almost as full of themselves as members of Congress

Almost
Posted by Lee Chatelain
I love the OT!
Member since Oct 2008
11512 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:30 am to
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Thank you for the 19% unemployment rate and the loss of 319,000 jobs in Louisiana because that's definitely spoiling us


Really hope you’re not blaming Nungesser for the loss of jobs in Louisiana or the lack of other things in our craphole state.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
129897 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:40 am to
How do they make over $70K, much less anywhere near that much.
Posted by greenhead11
Member since Feb 2012
949 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:41 am to
700,000k is absurd.

That’s more than 99% of doctors and probably lawyers.

Meanwhile everyone else is getting salaries slashed.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
98402 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 7:43 am to
Yeah 700k is gonna be way more than most doctors


River pilots are basically plant baws with better lobbyist
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