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re: South Mississippi groups sound alarm on potential Bonnet Carre Spillway opening

Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:42 am to
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
132505 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:42 am to
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This is a small opening that may or may not happen and it won’t last very long.


The COE should answer this question, if they have not done so already.

They should also know how much flow of freshwater and for how long until it starts detrimentally impacting the saltwater animals in the Mississippi Sound.

quote:

These folks are sky screaming for attention.


Yes, this is true. But it still is the responsibility of the COE to protect the environment. As engineers they took that oath.
Posted by MrBobDobalina
BRo.LA
Member since Oct 2011
3142 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:42 am to
FWIW, the Morganza spillway should always have one or two bays open to slowly introduce water downstream and give wildlife/ farmers enough time to move off of the flood zone. In reality, no one should be allowed to farm that area. By the time the corps of engineers issues warnings that they may have to open it, its too late to make a difference.

While we're talking about it, that 1.5 m CFM number they love throwing around was introduced 50 years ago. The river has silted in majorly since then and requires catastrophic flooding to hit the benchmark (which is only when they will start to DISCUSS opening it.)

Leave Morganza open, blow up the levees south of New Orleans in Plaquimines parish, never worry about Baton Rouge or NOLA flooding again.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
39957 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:42 am to
Save the dolphins, let New Orleans flood?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
132505 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:46 am to
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It's true though. Causes osmotic stress in the dolphins' skin cells, the cells die, which leads to infections.
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
8581 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:47 am to
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I crossed the Morganza Spillway a week and a half ago. Water from the Mississippi hasn't reached the gates of the spillway yet.


I crossed it Sunday heading home from Easter, and the water was halfway up the gates it seemed. 2 weeks earlier and the fields were dry. The river has come up a lot in the last 2 weeks.
Posted by shiftworker
LP
Member since Dec 2011
5195 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:47 am to
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I wonder what happened to the bottle nosed dolphins and the oyster beds before humans ever built flood control structures and the river flooded its natural banks into the saltwater estuaries semi-regularly?




This is a great question that these environmental wackos would ignore.

I don’t think it is humanly possible for me to care less about the damn porpoise population. All they do is ruin my fishing trips experience regularly.
Posted by jaytothen
Member since Jan 2020
7537 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:48 am to
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“When they start dying, we know the ecosystem that supported them is gone,” Solangi explained. “And once they are gone, guess who is next? You and me.”


Do Mississipians eat Dolphin? Anyone able to share a recipe?
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
8581 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:51 am to
Lemon Garlic Sauteed Dolphin
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 9:52 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
132505 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:52 am to
I think the COE typically opens the Bonnet Carre when the Carrollton River gage hit's 17'. It's at 15.02 feet right now. It typically reaches it's peak mid to late May.

Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20795 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:58 am to
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Nothing, because the annual floods were so spread out. This is focused and channel freshwater flooding into the Mississippi Sound via Lakes Pontchartrain and Borgne.


Are you thinking that fish kills dont happen normally during flood situations? Or droughts?
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
171460 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:07 am to
They shouldn’t open Bonnet Carre since this isn’t a prolonged rise. It’s going to crest and fall quickly.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
55357 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:18 am to
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He sent a letter to the Corps of Engineers that highlighted the 153 bottlenose dolphin deaths that were attributed to freshwater toxicity.

“When they start dying, we know the ecosystem that supported them is gone,” Solangi explained. “And once they are gone, guess who is next? You and me.”


Yeah, because everyone knows nothing lives in freshwater and Nature never bounces back.
Posted by turnpiketiger
Lone Star State
Member since May 2020
10957 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:23 am to
Sorry Coastal Mississippi, you live next to the Mississippi River basin therefore it comes with the territory. You want dolphins, go live in Florida
Posted by slidingstop
Member since Jan 2025
544 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:28 am to
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And once they are gone, guess who is next? You and me.”


Hey Solangi, come fishing with me and I'll show you all the Bottle Nosed Dolphins you want to see. They really love a good trout bite.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
9706 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:30 am to
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FWIW, the Morganza spillway should always have one or two bays open to slowly introduce water downstream and give wildlife/ farmers enough time to move off of the flood zone. In reality, no one should be allowed to farm that area. By the time the corps of engineers issues warnings that they may have to open it, its too late to make a difference.


I said this a few weeks ago.

You probably could get away with allowing more water above the Congressionally mandated percent allotated to the Atchfalaya using the Old River Control Structure. I think they have done that in the past to alleviate opening the Morganza. Opening Morganza has its own risks and typically requires repairs after opening.

Likewise, Morganza should have been constructed with a water channel to allow water to flow into the Atchfalaya instead of flooding the farmland for minor openings. Now if the stage gets too high and the River does need to have it opened fully, then all bets are off on preventing the farmland from flooding.

Also more water could be pumped into Bayou Lafourche and other distributaries although the river. But that is the equivlent of using a straw to empty a swimming pool. There is ongoing construction on a new pumpstation in Donaldsonville, but construction is still ongoing for the new pumps that will allow 1,000 cfs of water down the bayou up from the 450 cfs already there. You could possible put some temporary pumps there to increase the flow, also you could add some more pumps to projects like Davis Pond or Davis Trickle as I like to call it.

The big issue in the past with too much water down the Atchfalaya was backwater flooding in Morgan City and the Lake Palourde above Morgan City. Now there is a flood gate that can be closed in Bayou Chene that will prevent most of the water from flooding Morgan City on the back side. In the past, they would rent and sink a barge for this. Now they built one for this type of flooding event and can close it for even hurricane events. They closed it on April 14 as a preventative to keep the rising water out.
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 10:41 am
Posted by terriblegreen
Souf Badden Rewage
Member since Aug 2011
11135 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:37 am to
Same shite every year.

We gonna open it if it needs opening. Shut the frick up.
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
9820 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:39 am to
Morganza should be opened before the Bonnet Carre. The fresh water has changed the Pontchartrain area over the past 2 decades. The Atchafalaya basin is where fresh water is supposed to go.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
79974 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:44 am to
I didn’t know freshwater killed dolphins
Posted by NorthEndZone
Member since Dec 2008
12998 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:54 am to
Highest crest since 2020 is forecast, but over 3 feet lower. 2011 was 45 feet. Still could get higher in the next several weeks.

Recent Crests

1. 35.68 ft on 03-23-2022
2. 39.09 ft on 04-17-2021
3. 44.35 ft on 04-16-2020
4. 44.18 ft on 03-18-2019
5. 43.78 ft on 03-19-2018
6. 40.60 ft on 05-30-2017

Historic Crests

1. 47.28 ft on 05-15-1927
2. 45.18 ft on 05-16-1922
3. 45.18 ft on 04-29-1945
4. 45.01 ft on 05-18-2011
5. 44.58 ft on 04-16-1945
6. 44.48 ft on 02-28-1937
7. 44.35 ft on 04-16-2020

This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 10:57 am
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
107204 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:59 am to
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“When they start dying, we know the ecosystem that supported them is gone,” Solangi explained. “And once they are gone, guess who is next? You and me.”


Holy hyperbole! The current situation, where there is little freshwater flowing into Lake Pontchartrain and it has rather high salinity, is all pretty much not "natural" and due to what man has done for the past 100 years.
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