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The more you know: Louisiana’s peak energy usage occurs in winter

Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:34 pm
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:34 pm
While the average daily usage is most during the summer, thus causing the largest monthly bills, the winter’s coldest days are when energy use is at its highest. You can thank electric heaters which use a ton of wattage to run. So the coldest cold snap of the winter will cause the most instantaneous usage. That peak usage is a main factor in calculating the rate for the entire year here in LA.

The more you know.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:35 pm to
I have gas (lol) heaters
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:37 pm to
Other factors include closing school and work from home. Using more energy with all the lights, TVs, etc. being used.

I, too, have gas heaters fwiw.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:37 pm to
Reversible heat pump AC systems are the way in warm weather areas like Louisiana. Just as effective, vastly more efficient, and no burning dust smell the first time you fire it up for the year like you get with resistive heating.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:38 pm to
quote:

I have gas (lol) heaters


In Ascension parish if I crank up the central heat a few days in a month it'll add $15 to my lectric bill.

If I run my gas fire place for 20 minutes a day for a few days it'll add $30 to my Atmos gas bill.

frickin fricks.

Posted by dyslexiateechur
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:39 pm to
Yeah well my highest bill in summer is $1200 and my highest bill in winter is $700
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 12:40 pm
Posted by csorre1
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

Yeah well my highest bill in summer is $1200 and my highest bill in winter is $700


You should move.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
86603 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:43 pm to
I explained that in my OP.

30 days of heat and using (for example) 100 kw per day will mean paying for 3000 kw of power.

3 days of a cold snap using 200 kw then using just 20 kw the other 27 days only equals 1140 kw of power.

So while your monthly bill will be much higher in the summer, the peak actually took place in the winter. And the rate of your bill is mostly based on that peak.
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 12:52 pm
Posted by Locoguan0
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:45 pm to
When you think about it, it makes sense. Heating is extremely inefficient.
Posted by Steadyhands
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

Yeah well my highest bill in summer is $1200 and my highest bill in winter is $700


You climate controlling 5-10k sqft?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
86603 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:48 pm to
At our tailgate we have a couple electric fryers and those small things require their own generator separate from the one we use for the electronics because a heating element pulls so damn much. An AC unit doesn’t require much to run, it just needs a good boost to start up.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:51 pm to
Because electric heating is Fn stupid.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:52 pm to
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That peak usage is a main factor in calculating the rate for the entire year here in LA.
Got a link?

The peak usage determines how much capacity needs to be built, which is of course reflected in rates. But I've never heard of rates being adjusted based on the annual peak.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28991 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

Reversible heat pump AC systems are the way in warm weather areas like Louisiana. Just as effective, vastly more efficient, and no burning dust smell the first time you fire it up for the year like you get with resistive heating.
Yep. The next unit I get will be a heat pump. Also looking at heat pump water heaters.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:59 pm to
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Yeah well my highest bill in summer is $1200 and my highest bill in winter is $700



Have you considered installing windows and doors in the openings meant for them?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
86603 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:00 pm to
quote:

Got a link? The peak usage determines how much capacity needs to be built, which is of course reflected in rates. But I've never heard of rates being adjusted based on the annual peak.
I work in IT for power companies. 12+ years of experience. There are strict rules for changes being made during the winter months even more so than the summer months for this reason. Rules put in place both by the private companies and the market regulator (MISO in this case).

Cleco’s contracts with co-ops have the stipulation that the rate be adjusted for this peak and the co-op will eventually have to push that cost to the customers. Entergy has similar contracts with large industrial plants who require their own contracts for power supply. When Entergy and Cleco go to the LPSC to ask for rate increases for customers outside of co-ops/industrial, this winter peak is the main part of their pitch as they are required (as you said) to maintain that generation capacity per regulations.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:01 pm to
You're also trying to beat the outside temperature by 50 degrees instead of 25.
Posted by Shexter
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Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:08 pm to
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That peak usage is a main factor in calculating the rate for the entire year here in LA


Are crawfish farmers running Entergy now?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
86603 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:09 pm to
It’s been this way for decades.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28991 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

I work in IT for power companies. 12+ years of experience. There are strict rules for changes being made during the winter months even more so than the summer months for this reason. Rules put in place both by the private companies and the market regulator (MISO in this case).

Cleco’s contracts with co-ops have the stipulation that the rate be adjusted for this peak and the co-op will eventually have to push that cost to the customers. Entergy has similar contracts with large industrial plants who require their own contracts for power supply. When Entergy and Cleco go to the LPSC to ask for rate increases for customers outside of co-ops/industrial, this winter peak is the main part of their pitch as they are required (as you said) to maintain that generation capacity per regulations.
Gotcha.

So a follow-up question: since overbuilding capacity can be wasteful, does the topic of incentivizing heat pumps rather than resistive furnaces come up?
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