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Would you be bothered if you learned your son/daughter didn't stand for the pledge?
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:22 pm
As a teacher and a son of a veteran, it absolutely infuriates me every morning when these 13-14-15 - year old students refuse to stand for the pledge and there's not a thing I can do about it.
I've many times thought about contacting the parents just to inform them of their child's actions, but that's a very slippery slope and could backfire and possibly even cost me my career, if they claim I'm infringing on their child's freedom of speech rights. Unfortunately, that's the times we live in.
So as a parent, would you want to know if your child was not standing for the pledge or do you think it's the child's decision? Just curious to hear from parents on the matter.
I've many times thought about contacting the parents just to inform them of their child's actions, but that's a very slippery slope and could backfire and possibly even cost me my career, if they claim I'm infringing on their child's freedom of speech rights. Unfortunately, that's the times we live in.
So as a parent, would you want to know if your child was not standing for the pledge or do you think it's the child's decision? Just curious to hear from parents on the matter.
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Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:26 pm to SwampyWaters
DGAF. Most only do it because they are told to and are just going through the motion. Stand or don’t stand, government doesn’t give a frick about veterans either way which is a more important issue to get upset about
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:27 pm to SwampyWaters
Im not a parent- but i did have a grandparent who fought in Korea so that we could all have the right to stand, or to not stand, for the pledge or for any other ritual .. so i say let ‘em exercise their freedom to sit if they want to .
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:29 pm to SwampyWaters
Hell no. I think the pledge for children is a bit cultish. I'm not pledging allegiance to any government. They need to be allegiant to the people.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:29 pm to SwampyWaters
I'd be pretty disappointed that I failed as a parent.
Lots of good men and women died for our freedom.
They even gave us the freedom to be disrespectful and act stupid, which some of those people do.
Lots of good men and women died for our freedom.
They even gave us the freedom to be disrespectful and act stupid, which some of those people do.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:31 pm to SwampyWaters
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if they claim I'm infringing on their child's freedom of speech rights. Unfortunately, that's the times we live in.
Imagine thinking that your inability to infringe on their freedoms is the bad part.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:32 pm to SwampyWaters
I would. I think it's an important step to unification of our country. We should all be proud. But there's a culture that would rather unite behind hate, anger, race, political party instead of acceptance and unification.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:33 pm to SwampyWaters
quote:you can learn to worry about your own business. you could also learn not to be a dancing monkey. you say the pledge bc you were conditioned to do so. no other reason. you probably think you're an independent thinking person, though.
there's not a thing I can do about it.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:38 pm to SwampyWaters
Your veteran parent defended that individuals right to ignore it. There’s always a blessing in disguise. Americans take a lot of things for granted. It may mean more one day, maybe not.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:40 pm to SwampyWaters
The pledge is gay.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:41 pm to BK Lounge
quote:
Im not a parent- but i did have a grandparent who fought in Korea so that we could all have the right to stand, or to not stand, for the pledge or for any other ritual .. so i say let ‘em exercise their freedom to sit if they want to .
Your grandparent didn't have to say the current pledge while in school either. A bit ironic, like pretending korea had frick all to do with the rights of US citizens.
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:44 pm to SwampyWaters
Blind devotion to your country is dangerous
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:44 pm to thegambler
quote:
I would. I think it's an important step to unification of our country. We should all be proud. But there's a culture that would rather unite behind hate, anger, race, political party instead of acceptance and unification.
It's swearing fielty to a government that has pissed on the people and their rights for my entire life. It has nothing to do with veterans or their sacrifices, which I support. The pledge says nothing about soldiers. It's the government and their flag which I have no allegiance to. I'm not pledging blind support to anybody. No real American would.
This would be more accurate:
They pledge allegiance to a flag of the United States Government
And to the republic, against those that stand
One nation, rejecting God, divisible
While destroying liberty and justice for all
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:48 pm to SwampyWaters
yes. my children will be standing for the pledge out of respect for their family members who served. other’s children can stand or not stand, that’s on them. justify it however you want.
thank frick
quote:
Im not a parent
thank frick
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:55 pm to SwampyWaters
quote:
I've many times thought about contacting the parents just to inform them of their child's actions, but that's a very slippery slope and could backfire and possibly even cost me my career, if they claim I'm infringing on their child's freedom of speech rights. Unfortunately, that's the times we live in.
Punishing a kid for not standing is a violation of West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette that was decided and has been upheld since 1943. The premise of the ruling was based upon the protection of Jehovah Witnesses whose beliefs state they do not pledge to any symbol or object. Their objection was based on their persecution in Nazi Germany for objecting to pledge to the Nazi flag.
This isn’t something that’s the “times we live in”.
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:00 pm to Klark Kent
Reciting the pledge is not the same as standing to the national anthem. The national anthem unifies us all and is the time to honor those that served. The pledge is a very un-American and socialist ritual that started late in the 20th century. Why should my children pledge allegiance to a government which has no loyalty to the Constitution? The Declaration of Independence states that we should be loyal only to the point at which government abides by the rules and they have been breaking the rules my entire life.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:02 pm to SwampyWaters
I would tear their azz up!
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:05 pm to SwampyWaters
Would I be mad at my kid for doing it? Probably, because they don't understand why they are doing it. If they had a legitimate answer, I would probably disagree but be fine.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:06 pm to SwampyWaters
Government is more focused on immigrants keeping the flock of sheep moving up the hill. And then pushing us off
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:06 pm to SwampyWaters
Standing together and saying a pledge to the country is awful Soviet sounding
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