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re: WSJ: Why is Mississippi Falling Behind Rest of South?
Posted on 1/3/24 at 8:31 am to greenbean
Posted on 1/3/24 at 8:31 am to greenbean
Fun fact about class stats in many of these horrific school districts. If you can help a couple of the F students that never show up to class earn a C-, the average of the entire class will improve more than if a A student edges out just enough to earn an A+. It's easier to help the A and B students, so that's what we tend to do. That's not necessarily the biggest impact to society though.
I'll say the obvious around how catastrophic Mississippi's situation is in their delta region. That whole area is one of the country's F students.
The USA is falling behind in health, life expectancy, and literacy. Some suburban areas have gotten better, most have held steady by posting slight increases or decreases, but some other parts of the country have fallen off the map. The Mississippi delta region is one of them (this also impacts parts of Louisiana and Arkansas too).
There are other regions in the country with these problem (West Virginia, Texas panhandle and border areas, etc.) but the lower Delta is the largest problem area in both geography and population. Despite the abundance of cheap land and decent infrastructure, it's never recovered from the widespread adoption of mechanized agriculture in the early 20th century.
If we can somehow fix some of Mississippi's problems with education and employment, we would impact broader stats of the United States at large. That's how far behind the delta region is and how far its dragging down the rest of the region and the country. The parts of Mississippi and Louisiana around some of the Memphis suburbs, the gulf coast, New Orleans, and Baton Rouge are actually doing fairly well by comparison. The really sad parts are the former cotton growing regions between all three states in places like Simmsport, Woodville, Natchez, Yazoo, Tallulah, Indianola, Greenville, all the way up through Clarksdale and even into some of the "non FedEx" parts of Memphis. So much of it is sad and hopeless...with very little employment opportunities. What does exist doesn't pay very well and offers very little upward mobility or reason to stay. Most of the people that can rub two nickels together have long since left for cities like Jackson, Baton Rouge, St. Louis, Memphis, or Shreveport because there are more jobs there.
IMO we should be dumping cash into TVA-style employment projects like power plants. Then we should start shoveling cash into K-12 and trade school education programs, rehabilitating the downtowns of those small/med size towns, promoting tourism of the delta region (which is incredibly interesting and worth visiting now) and giving generous incentives for industrial expansion in that area.
Either that or we'll be coughing up welfare for even less educated, less productive, less healthy people in that area 50 years from now.
I'll say the obvious around how catastrophic Mississippi's situation is in their delta region. That whole area is one of the country's F students.
The USA is falling behind in health, life expectancy, and literacy. Some suburban areas have gotten better, most have held steady by posting slight increases or decreases, but some other parts of the country have fallen off the map. The Mississippi delta region is one of them (this also impacts parts of Louisiana and Arkansas too).
There are other regions in the country with these problem (West Virginia, Texas panhandle and border areas, etc.) but the lower Delta is the largest problem area in both geography and population. Despite the abundance of cheap land and decent infrastructure, it's never recovered from the widespread adoption of mechanized agriculture in the early 20th century.
If we can somehow fix some of Mississippi's problems with education and employment, we would impact broader stats of the United States at large. That's how far behind the delta region is and how far its dragging down the rest of the region and the country. The parts of Mississippi and Louisiana around some of the Memphis suburbs, the gulf coast, New Orleans, and Baton Rouge are actually doing fairly well by comparison. The really sad parts are the former cotton growing regions between all three states in places like Simmsport, Woodville, Natchez, Yazoo, Tallulah, Indianola, Greenville, all the way up through Clarksdale and even into some of the "non FedEx" parts of Memphis. So much of it is sad and hopeless...with very little employment opportunities. What does exist doesn't pay very well and offers very little upward mobility or reason to stay. Most of the people that can rub two nickels together have long since left for cities like Jackson, Baton Rouge, St. Louis, Memphis, or Shreveport because there are more jobs there.
IMO we should be dumping cash into TVA-style employment projects like power plants. Then we should start shoveling cash into K-12 and trade school education programs, rehabilitating the downtowns of those small/med size towns, promoting tourism of the delta region (which is incredibly interesting and worth visiting now) and giving generous incentives for industrial expansion in that area.
Either that or we'll be coughing up welfare for even less educated, less productive, less healthy people in that area 50 years from now.
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 8:43 am
Posted on 1/3/24 at 8:53 am to Tornado Alley
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For anyone reading this thread, the Mississippi Gulf Coast is absolutely horrible. It's expensive, the people suck, there are no jobs, everyone is poor, and crime is high. Do not move here. There is no reason to.
And the fishing is LOUSY. No need to even consider it as a destination for any purposes....
Posted on 1/3/24 at 8:59 am to yaboidarrell
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Meridian is an underrated shithole. One of the worst towns in the South.
Anecdotal of course but I know a father and son in Meridian and good god almighty they are the crookedest human beings I ever met. They are in the road building business so they are crooked like every body in that business but they are involved in all manner of underhanded shite...how they ain't in prison is anyone's guess.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:08 am to AwgustaDawg
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Anecdotal of course but I know a father and son in Meridian and good god almighty they are the crookedest human beings I ever met.
Don't know much about Meridian. Seemed okay when we passed through, but there are some sketchy parts of town. They have a Chick Fil A so that tells me it's probably at least 20,000 people or so. Meridian seems big enough to support more lighter manufacturing and distribution, but too small and too isolated for any single major industrial expansion (like a major auto plant, refinery, or Boeing factory).
I'm rooting for the Brookhaven/McComb area along with pretty much every community along US 61. I think those are areas with the most room for improvement and the most untapped potential.
Jackson is struggling and may be lost. They've got a leadership crisis and things are going to get worse there with more headlines about basic city services not working (water, sewer, trash, etc.) Seems like the jobs and skilled workers are moving north towards Madison or east towards Brandon.
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 9:11 am
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:09 am to notiger1997
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I’m truly amazed at the number of people I know that have bought or built second homes in the Bay St Louis area in the last 3 or 4 years.
Yeah, they can frick off.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:13 am to Gaston
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Why didn’t we get the TopGolf?
I'm sure it's coming. There are a lot of casinos and beaches to distract people.
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MS is fine down here on the coast
No state tax on retirement income. Nicer communities in Mississippi near healthcare and highways will be very popular for older folks who want to settle down in old age or own a summer home as their "primary" residence on paper.
So long as Louisiana still taxes retirement income, that's a cherry that Mississippi will be able to pick. Louisiana is trying to phase it out though...not sure how long this will last.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:13 am to mudshuvl05
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yep. the delta too.
the mississippi delta is a huge swath of land whose entire economy is based around acres that are precious for row crop agriculture, which is done by far more machines than men. it's a recipe for poverty, and it's nobody's fault if not everybody's fault: anyone who relies on row crops to feed themselves and their families has a hand in the stagnation of agricultural areas like the delta. meaning, it is what it is, and nothing is going to "fix" it except for moving out of the area if you're one of the have-nots that don't farm or are employed by it.
nobody does poverty like the slums in the delta. take out those areas and jackson, and you've got an entirely different picture.
There are other parts of the country where row crops are prevalent and while the wages are low in all of them they do not have the problems that areas of the south have that are still agriculturally strong. Most of those states have far more comprehensive safety nets in place than we tend to have in the south.
In Washington State it is not uncommon for people who make a pretty good living during the year to take leave or drag up to harvest crops....because Washington State, the third largest commercial producer of vegetables in the United States, regulates the industry and keeps wages and living conditions for workers in line with other industries in the state. California, the #1 producer, does the same thing. Idaho, the number 3 producer, does not and Idaho has similar issues as the south...
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:19 am to greenbean
As an outsider, I thought Mississippi was always behind the test of the south
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:20 am to member12
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No state tax on retirement income. Nicer communities in Mississippi near healthcare and highways will be very popular for older folks who want to settle down in old age or own a summer home as their "primary" residence on paper.
So long as Louisiana still taxes retirement income, that's a cherry that Mississippi will be able to pick. Louisiana is trying to phase it out though...not sure how long this will last
My wife and I thought long and hard about retiring in Mississippi. Possibly around Hattiesburg. The lifestyle fits ours very well and the cost of living is pretty good. Alas we decided it was to far from the kids and hopefully grand kids someday. It was definitely on the short list though.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:21 am to Gaston
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It’s definitely helped to balance LA peeps with the typical older gay couples that were buying everything up before. Still a liberal enclave, but not as bad as it was looking to be.
Changed it from Gay St Louis to Bar St Louis.
gays don't get enough credit for rapidly improving neighborhoods.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:26 am to AwgustaDawg
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There are other parts of the country where row crops are prevalent and while the wages are low in all of them they do not have the problems that areas of the south have that are still agriculturally strong.
Their big issue is that they had massive agricultural operations when it was labor intensive. Once the more efficient tools and equipment became available, the jobs went away. A lot of the people moved to midwestern industrial towns - the ones that stayed found themselves in declining, isolated former agricultural towns with no opportunity.
This is more like the implosion of the coal industry in West Virginia x 10. The delta region in Mississippi, Louisiana, and Arkansas has the problems but in a much bigger area.
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Most of those states have far more comprehensive safety nets in place than we tend to have in the south.
The agricultural output of those areas were very, very low when farming needed a lot of labor. So they don't have nearly as much of a widespread poverty problem that Mississippi has. They also have some larger, wealthier metros with other industries to prop up their state budgets.
If Mississippi had more manufacturing or industries dotted across the delta, the locals would take those very well paying jobs and the farmers would use more migrant labor for the few jobs they needed to fill seasonally.
That's exactly what happens in south Louisiana. Most people employed by the massive industries here do very well. But most of their grandparents or great grandparents lived in abject poverty the way that many still do farther upriver in Mississippi.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:30 am to AwgustaDawg
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My wife and I thought long and hard about retiring in Mississippi. Possibly around Hattiesburg. The lifestyle fits ours very well and the cost of living is pretty good. Alas we decided it was to far from the kids and hopefully grand kids someday. It was definitely on the short list though.
I've got an uncle that did that. They are in one of the nicer areas outside of town with bunch of other older folks. Far enough north where they don't have to worry too much about hurricanes. There's enough big stores for them to get whatever they need. Costs of living is very low.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:32 am to Dire Wolf
They fix the hell out of these old houses. Not afraid to tear it down to the studs and make it right…that’s for sure.
It’s still Gay St Louis.
It’s still Gay St Louis.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:39 am to greenbean
I mean everyone knows this answer...right?
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:01 am to greenbean
I can’t speak for the rest of the state, but I have family and friends that live in Picayune, Hattiesburg, BSL, and Biloxi and they all love it.
Not one single complaint.
I am definitely getting out of New Orleans and moving to Mississippi when I retire.
Not one single complaint.
I am definitely getting out of New Orleans and moving to Mississippi when I retire.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:02 am to SportsGuyNOLA
Well, Petal and Bay St Louis are the top two school districts in the state so that helps.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 3:26 pm to prplhze2000
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Well, Petal and Bay St Louis are the top two school districts in the state so that helps.
You make that up? I know the Pass Christian schools rank highly, but wasn’t aware we had any good public schools in Hancock County.
The private schools are good in BSL. On par with the price of all boys/girls in NOLA, but I doubt they’re anywhere close with academic rankings.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 3:36 pm to mule74
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In 20-30 years, Baton Rouge will be Jackson.
In all honestly, if it were not for LSU, BR would make Jackson look like Austin, TX.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 3:46 pm to lsu13lsu
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In all honestly, if it were not for LSU, BR would make Jackson look like Austin, TX.
Meh. Baton Rouge has a real industrial base with some momentum behind it. Jackson has much less of one in that respect.
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 1/3/24 at 3:50 pm to dewster
You had me until "momentum behind it"
The only momentum industries in BR are Gordon type Attorneys and Tract Home Builders. BR Business Report company of the year was DSLD.
The only momentum industries in BR are Gordon type Attorneys and Tract Home Builders. BR Business Report company of the year was DSLD.
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