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WW2 Story: Brown-Stigler Incident
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:05 am
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:05 am
Came across a cool story this morning.
Can’t believe I’ve never heard of it before.
Even through disagreement and war, there are still decent human beings out there.
They also met 50 years later and became close friends.
A feel good story for today.
Happy Friday.
Can’t believe I’ve never heard of it before.
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The Charlie Brown and Franz Stigler incident occurred on 20 December 1943, when, after a successful bomb run on Bremen, 2nd Lt. Charles "Charlie" Brown's B-17F Flying Fortress Ye Olde Pub of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) was severely damaged by German fighters. Luftwaffe pilot Franz Stigler had the opportunity to shoot down the crippled bomber but did not do so, and instead escorted it over and past German-occupied territory so as to protect it.
Even through disagreement and war, there are still decent human beings out there.
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Brown's struggling B-17 was now attacked by over a dozen enemy fighters (a combination of Messerschmitt Bf 109s and Focke-Wulf Fw 190s) of JG 11 for more than ten minutes.[17] Further damage was sustained, including to the #3 engine, reducing it to only half power (meaning the aircraft had effectively, at best, 40% of its total rated power available). The bomber's internal oxygen, hydraulic, and electrical systems were also damaged, and the bomber had lost half of its rudder and port (left side) elevator, as well as its nose cone. Several of the gunners' weapons had jammed, most likely as a result of the loss of on-board systems, leading to frozen firing mechanisms. This left the bomber with only two dorsal turret guns plus one of the three forward-firing nose guns (from 11 available) for defense.
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Many of the crew were wounded: the tail gunner, Eckenrode, had been decapitated by a direct hit from a cannon shell, while Yelesanko was critically wounded in the leg by shrapnel, Blackford's feet were frozen due to shorted-out heating wires in his uniform, Pechout had been hit in the eye by a cannon shell and Brown was wounded in his right shoulder.[19] The morphine syrettes carried onboard had also frozen, complicating first-aid efforts by the crew, while the radio was destroyed and the bomber's exterior heavily damaged. Miraculously, all but Eckenrode survived. The crew discussed the possibility of bailing out of the aircraft, but realized Yelesanko would be unable to make a safe landing with his injury. Unwilling to leave him behind in the plane, they flew on.[19]
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Brown's damaged, straggling bomber was spotted by Germans on the ground, including Franz Stigler (then an ace with 27 victories), who was refueling and rearming at an airfield. He soon took off in his Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-6 (which had an American .50 BMG bullet embedded in its radiator, risking the engine overheating) and quickly caught up with Brown's plane. Through openings torn in the damaged bomber's airframe by flak and machine gun fire, Stigler was able to see the injured and incapacitated crew. To the American pilot's surprise, the German did not open fire on the crippled bomber. Stigler instead recalled the words of one of his commanding officers from JG 27, Gustav Rödel, during his time fighting in North Africa: "If I ever see or hear of you shooting at a man in a parachute, I will shoot you myself." Stigler later commented, "To me, it was just like they were in a parachute. I saw them and I couldn't shoot them down."[16]
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Twice Stigler tried to persuade Brown to land his plane at a German airfield and surrender, or divert to nearby neutral Sweden, where he and his crew would receive medical treatment and be interned for the remainder of the war. However Brown and the crew of the B-17 did not understand what Stigler was trying to mouth and gesture to them, and so flew on. Stigler later told Brown he was trying to get them to fly to Sweden. He then flew near Brown's plane in close formation on the bomber's port side wing, so that German anti-aircraft units would not target it, and escorted the damaged B-17 across the coast until they reached open water. Brown, still unsure of Stigler's intentions, ordered his dorsal turret gunner to target his guns on Stigler but not open fire, to warn him off. Understanding the message and certain that the bomber was finally out of German airspace, Stigler departed with a salute.[16]
They also met 50 years later and became close friends.
A feel good story for today.
Happy Friday.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:28 am to Scruffy
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Group picture of the Ye Olde Pub crew (Brown is kneeling on the far left)
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:32 am to Scruffy
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Several of the gunners' weapons had jammed, most likely as a result of the loss of on-board systems, leading to frozen firing mechanisms.
The guns weren't heated
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:34 am to Darth_Vader
This post was edited on 7/12/24 at 7:36 am
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:35 am to Scruffy
Wow man. Much needed especially now when my faith in human decency dwindles by the day
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:35 am to Spaceman Spiff
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The guns weren't heated
Pretty sure they just meant “locked up” or “jammed”.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:00 am to Scruffy
Metal band Sabaton did a song about this. I love their stuff, they write songs about the history of war.
No Bullets Fly
No Bullets Fly
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:20 am to Scruffy
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Miraculously, all but Eckenrode survived.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:20 am to Scruffy
There is a book about this and it is a great read. Just a very touching story.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:21 am to VaBamaMan
Sabaton is awesome. I've done some stuff in their style
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:22 am to Scruffy
It is my understanding that Stigler never reported the incident to the Luftwaffe command for fear of the repercussions that might have followed for not finishing the bomber off. Though Brown reported it in his debrief, it was not shared for basically the same reasons.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:24 am to Traveler
quote:Stigler would have faced court-martial so he kept it to himself.
It is my understanding that Stigler never reported the incident to the Luftwaffe command for fear of the repercussions that might have followed for not finishing the bomber off.
Brown was told to not share his story because it may convince injured planes not to fight back.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:46 am to Scruffy
After a certain point. Stigler stopped claiming victories, so his score would be higher than 27.
He was also shot down 17 times. Fighting bombers was dangerous work.
He was also shot down 17 times. Fighting bombers was dangerous work.
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