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1/2 or 3/4 acre pond?
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:03 pm
About to start the dirt work for our house and im wanting to put a pond in the back yard. We are going to be on 5 acres of land measuring 318x700' i believe. Im trying to picture what size pond would look best behind the house from 1/2 acre or 3/4 acre. The 3/4 acre is about $5k more to dig. I cant picture which one would look best on that size lot. Will mainly be stocking bream, bass and mainly catfish. What size would you go with and why? Pond will be 8ft deep if that helps
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:35 pm to sonoma8
Bigger the better. Deeper the better.
If you're on a well, rig it up so that you can run water into the pond when it gets low, or when it needs oxygen. Rig up an aerator also. As an example, if you leave it to nature, your pond will produce 500# of fish per acre per year on its own.
But if you have a feeder and an aeration system, you can produce up to 10,000# of catfish per acre with an aggressive management program.
If you're on a well, rig it up so that you can run water into the pond when it gets low, or when it needs oxygen. Rig up an aerator also. As an example, if you leave it to nature, your pond will produce 500# of fish per acre per year on its own.
But if you have a feeder and an aeration system, you can produce up to 10,000# of catfish per acre with an aggressive management program.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:37 pm to sonoma8
Damn 5k for a 1/4 acre more? Do you know anyone with equipment or can you rent a hoe? That seems steep.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:53 pm to jimbeam
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4 acre pond
At least.
More fish time catch and less grass to cut.
Also, I'd consider a moat.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:54 pm to sonoma8
I've never seen a pond or lake that looked bad because it was too small. Dig the the biggest you have room for. More pond = less grass to cut. 20 years from now you'll be glad.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 1:06 pm to Geauxtiga
All this and no NASCARFAN page? 

Posted on 4/1/17 at 1:08 pm to xenon16
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All this and no NASCARFAN page?

I swear I almost injected him into that reasoning. Figured we'd dragged his dick over the rocks enough on that one.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 1:43 pm to Geauxtiga
I almost put nascar in the title but i was pretty sure somebody was gona be on that w the quickness
guess ill go with the 3/4 acre. Do you usuallt let the vegetation grow for about a year before introducing fingerlings into it?

Posted on 4/1/17 at 2:59 pm to sonoma8
If you in any way have issues or beef with a neighbor or anyone in the vacinity of your project go through the proper paper work and do it right.
What I mean is it takes one phone call, email, letter and such from anyone to the Corp of Engineers about your project to bring your project to a brick wall stop.
Get your Corp of engineer approval and permits
What I mean is it takes one phone call, email, letter and such from anyone to the Corp of Engineers about your project to bring your project to a brick wall stop.
Get your Corp of engineer approval and permits
Posted on 4/1/17 at 3:24 pm to Bow08tie
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Get your Corp of engineer approval and permits
1) if it's not jurisdictional wetlands, then the Corps doesn't have anything to do with it
2) Under the new Trump administration, there's still an Enforcement Division at both the Corps and the EPA. It's just that nobody actually works there anymore.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 3:53 pm to Bow08tie
Is he building it on protected land?
also make sure you install a pump with more than enough hp to handle it. It'd surprise you how fast the water in the pond will evaporate in the hot summers.
also make sure you install a pump with more than enough hp to handle it. It'd surprise you how fast the water in the pond will evaporate in the hot summers.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 3:56 pm to plazadweller
Its some old farmland in Maurice.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 4:06 pm to sonoma8
that's just too small, not enough pond to support decent levels of eating size populations in it.
your fish will be small and very stunted growth.
you sould go with at least a 2 acre pond for what you want and make it 30 ft deep mostly then build rock pile reefs as well as some huge sunken tree stumps out in the middle. these aren't for you to fish but to create breeding habitat and sanctuaries for fish to hide unmolested and grow really big.
don't forget you need a "seed pond" nursery area for baitfish to live so it has a self sustaining feed supply. grass shrimp, crawfish, glass minnows, shad.
you almost need to think of the smaller "seed" pond as its own separate pond that needs to be a great breeding ground to stay full of everything those other fish in the big pond will like to eat. lastly separate the two ponds with a wire fence to protect the small fish from being eaten inside the "seed" pond area.
lastly you need to think about weed control, at some point it will have a weed problem so you might want to put a carp or two in there, but not too many or they will eat too much grass since you want a certain level of overgrown grass banks.
and put some crappie in there, don't want to forget about stocking those guys in it. hell if it was me I would just stock it with crappie and nothing else.
lastly, you have to keep removing fish at sustainable levels or it gets too overpopulated and the fish stop growing as big so you need a plan for removing "x" amount of each species of small to medium sized fish each month to keep a health fish population going
here is a good website to help you with your pond, take your time and plan it correctly. once its done, its too late to change anything. LINK
your fish will be small and very stunted growth.
you sould go with at least a 2 acre pond for what you want and make it 30 ft deep mostly then build rock pile reefs as well as some huge sunken tree stumps out in the middle. these aren't for you to fish but to create breeding habitat and sanctuaries for fish to hide unmolested and grow really big.
don't forget you need a "seed pond" nursery area for baitfish to live so it has a self sustaining feed supply. grass shrimp, crawfish, glass minnows, shad.
you almost need to think of the smaller "seed" pond as its own separate pond that needs to be a great breeding ground to stay full of everything those other fish in the big pond will like to eat. lastly separate the two ponds with a wire fence to protect the small fish from being eaten inside the "seed" pond area.
lastly you need to think about weed control, at some point it will have a weed problem so you might want to put a carp or two in there, but not too many or they will eat too much grass since you want a certain level of overgrown grass banks.
and put some crappie in there, don't want to forget about stocking those guys in it. hell if it was me I would just stock it with crappie and nothing else.
lastly, you have to keep removing fish at sustainable levels or it gets too overpopulated and the fish stop growing as big so you need a plan for removing "x" amount of each species of small to medium sized fish each month to keep a health fish population going
here is a good website to help you with your pond, take your time and plan it correctly. once its done, its too late to change anything. LINK
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 4/1/17 at 7:11 pm to keakar
Thanks for the info and the Link. Just bought land with a 1/2 acre pond. Excited about the possibilities.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 7:28 pm to No Colors
Your 1) comment is not accurate
Jurisdictional wetlands does not have to be the case for the Corp to investigate soil and plant life movement
Unless you yourself have been through the actual Corp involvement process and understand just what they can be involved in...then please be careful on giving advise to someone
Jurisdictional wetlands does not have to be the case for the Corp to investigate soil and plant life movement
Unless you yourself have been through the actual Corp involvement process and understand just what they can be involved in...then please be careful on giving advise to someone
Posted on 4/1/17 at 7:39 pm to Bow08tie
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Unless you yourself have been through the actual Corp involvement process and understand just what they can be involved in...then please be careful on giving advise to someone
I have gotten multiple Section 404 permits in my career. Both with mitigation and without.
I have also done lots of dirt work in jurisdictional wetlands with both silviculture and agriculture exemptions that precluded the necessity for delineation, permitting, and Corps involvement.
And I will repeat: If it's not jurisdictional, then the Corps has no jurisdiction. By definition.
Also, the Corps doesn't handle guys building 3/4 acre ponds behind their house. NRCS does that.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:24 pm to sonoma8
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I almost put nascar in the title
My feelings are hurt



I'd say the first thing is to get you something in the pond for them to eat

Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:53 pm to No Colors
And I will repeat...reference again my second sentance on my previous post
I myself Having been through the process numerous times with the Corp and currently going through the process
Up front the corp is initially interested in persons excavating a pond of any size behind their home...period
I myself Having been through the process numerous times with the Corp and currently going through the process
Up front the corp is initially interested in persons excavating a pond of any size behind their home...period
Posted on 4/1/17 at 9:00 pm to Bow08tie
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Up front the corp is initially interested in persons excavating a pond of any size behind their home...period
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