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6.8 SPC vs .308 for hogs.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:18 pm
Would like some opinions. I have an AR in 6.8 that I planned to use for hog hunting. I got it at the tail end of last season and never shot a hog with it.
My problem with it now is the ammo is so damn expensive. It costs my first born child just to sight the damn thing in. Was thinking of selling the whole setup and getting an AR-10 instead. I already have a Rem 700 in .308 that I still have a good deal of ammo for.
So what does OB think? Is one caliber better than the other for hogs? The only way I'll keep this 6.8 is if someone tells me it kills hogs better than ULM.
My problem with it now is the ammo is so damn expensive. It costs my first born child just to sight the damn thing in. Was thinking of selling the whole setup and getting an AR-10 instead. I already have a Rem 700 in .308 that I still have a good deal of ammo for.
So what does OB think? Is one caliber better than the other for hogs? The only way I'll keep this 6.8 is if someone tells me it kills hogs better than ULM.
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Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:21 pm to DrTyger
a .22 mag is a pig killing machine. No need to waste all that high dollar ammo on pigs. What's the per round price of .308? .22 mag can be found for less that a quarter a round. Not as cheap as .22 LR, but way less than centerfire cartriges.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:22 pm to DrTyger
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Was thinking of selling the whole setup
Where do you live? How much? And... dibs.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:23 pm to DrTyger
I sold my 6.8 b/c of the cost of ammo. Also, in 2006, all the ammo was going to the army. I remember a store willing to sell me 6 bullets. 
Traded it in for a RRA 5.56
My ballistic catalog does not list the 6.8 mm, but you know the 308 is a proven hog round, plus about anything else you want to shoot not called a Bear, Moose, Elk....and then that is debatable.
Traded it in for a RRA 5.56
My ballistic catalog does not list the 6.8 mm, but you know the 308 is a proven hog round, plus about anything else you want to shoot not called a Bear, Moose, Elk....and then that is debatable.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:25 pm to Mung
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a .22 mag is a pig killing machine. No need to waste all that high dollar ammo on pigs. What's the per round price of .308? .22 mag can be found for less that a quarter a round. Not as cheap as .22 LR, but way less than centerfire cartriges.
.22 mag, .223, etc. may work on some of the sows and piglets that are running around, but some of the big sons of bitches I see around will just laugh and charge you after that.
Obviously if I'm going for single pig I can use a bolt gun, but I'm talking population control. Would possibly need to take several quick shots hence the need for an AR platform.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:26 pm to Clyde Tipton
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Where do you live? How much? And... dibs.
Kenner, $1300 with all the extras I have for it (Scope, ammo, bipod, etc.)
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:32 pm to DrTyger
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Kenner,
Damm, I'm in the other corner of the state.
I think it's a great round, but it is expensive.
I'm always interested in any gun for sale...
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:33 pm to Clyde Tipton
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Damm, I'm in the other corner of the state.
What other corner? I go to BR pretty regularly for LSU games.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:34 pm to DrTyger
How many pigs do you really have a shot at killing. Regardless of the cost of ammo, just pig shooting and not plinking it can't be that many in a year. If it really is that many I will buy a nice pig from you so you can have ammo money...
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:38 pm to wickowick
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So what does OB think? Is one caliber better than the other for hogs?
Yes. For big game hunting (including hogs), the 308 Win has it all over the 6.8. From a hunting stanpoint, the 6.8 doesn't really have a niche.
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The only way I'll keep this 6.8 is if someone tells me it kills hogs better than ULM.
HaHa!!
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:38 pm to DrTyger
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What other corner?
Shreveport.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:40 pm to DrTyger
I'll be building an AR before too long and ammo costs are what will keep me from building it in 6.5 or 260. I may go 308, but will most likely stick with the 223.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:40 pm to wickowick
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How many pigs do you really have a shot at killing. Regardless of the cost of ammo, just pig shooting and not plinking it can't be that many in a year. If it really is that many I will buy a nice pig from you so you can have ammo money...
Well, it's partly that and partly a peeve of mine that if I have a gun it has to get shot. So maybe I shoot 10 hogs a year on the high end, but I still like to put several hundred rounds through the gun a year just for fun.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:50 pm to Slickback
quote:My buddy and I both got an AR a couple of years ago. I went with 5.56 and he did a .308. He sold his and now has a 5.56 also. His was having problems with the firing pin, but ammo costs alone will make you think about caliber choice.
I may go 308, but will most likely stick with the 223.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:52 pm to Clyde Tipton
223 would be the logical choice for me (varmints, hogs, rec shooting, etc) but I like off the wall shite sometimes.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 5:57 pm to DrTyger
So just use your rem in 308 for hogs and get whatever you want for plinking.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 6:12 pm to DrTyger
The ballistics on the .308 are superior, as you would expect by looking at the two rounds. 6.8 will kill hogs, though.
The problem you're going to have with the .308 setup is weight, especially if you're toting a few rounds. Also, muzzle flip is significantly greater on the .308, so follow up shots are slower.
I wouldn't think you'll take enough shots each year to worry too much about the cost of ammo. A couple of boxes max, right? I'd stick with the 6.8 for hogs and get a 5.56 upper (if you don't already have one) to use at the range or for plinking.
The problem you're going to have with the .308 setup is weight, especially if you're toting a few rounds. Also, muzzle flip is significantly greater on the .308, so follow up shots are slower.
I wouldn't think you'll take enough shots each year to worry too much about the cost of ammo. A couple of boxes max, right? I'd stick with the 6.8 for hogs and get a 5.56 upper (if you don't already have one) to use at the range or for plinking.
Posted on 9/10/12 at 6:43 pm to Nodust
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So just use your rem in 308 for hogs and get whatever you want for plinking.
Need a semi for multiple hogs.
I have 2 other ARs in .223. Could always use that, but I find it's not adequate for the bigger hogs.
Posted on 9/11/12 at 12:58 am to DrTyger
The main reason the 6.8 SPC round was designed was to bridge the gap between the 5.56 NATO (.223 Rem) and the 7.62x51 (.308 Win).
When using an AR-style rifle in .223, the weight can be kept very low, follow-up shots are very quick, and accuracy is maintained. The main reason the army changed to .223 from .308 and 30-06 during Vietnam was to increase the number of rounds a soldier can carry. 100 rounds of .223 and 100 rounds of .308 is a huge difference in weight. Once they were able to standardize the caliber among most of their fielded weapons, it made it easier to supply the same ammo to every soldier, rather than having to match a specific round to his weapon.
So, the 6.8 Special Purpose Cartridge was designed by Remington to bridge this gap. They wanted the compactness of a .223 with the drop-you-dead power of the .308.
6.8mm was actually chosen for a reason also. From studies shown, 6.5mm seems to be one of the most stable rounds in terms of ballistics. There's a reason it's one of the most popular calibers for bench rest shooters. So tests were done to compare a 6.8mm round to the 6.5 Grendel that I'm sure many of you are familiar with. The 6.8mm round was slightly less accurate but carried more punch against ballistic targets.
And since the 6.8mm round shares the same diameter as the .270 Winchester, reloading the cartridges gives you tons of options in terms of bullet choice.
The 6.8 SPC is simply a 30 Remington case with a .277 caliber bullet.
Given the comparison, both travel about the same velocity, with the 6.8 possibly being a bit slower. With the bullet technology that exists now, you can get some very consistently-penetrating rounds for shooting hogs. People seem to love the Barnes TTSX rounds for pigging.
So to sum it up, if you buy a Die Set, some powder, cases, primers, and bullets, I will be happy to load you some. If not, get yourself some reloading gear and roll your own. The most expensive part of the 6.8 SPC round is the case. The other parts are plentiful - Small rifle primers, standard rifle powders, and a .277" bullet.
If not, get a .308 with a short barrel. Rock River Arms and DPMS both make 16" .308s. The M1A SOCOM16 and SCAR 17s are also great candidates for .308. The M1A is the grandfather of it anyway...
When using an AR-style rifle in .223, the weight can be kept very low, follow-up shots are very quick, and accuracy is maintained. The main reason the army changed to .223 from .308 and 30-06 during Vietnam was to increase the number of rounds a soldier can carry. 100 rounds of .223 and 100 rounds of .308 is a huge difference in weight. Once they were able to standardize the caliber among most of their fielded weapons, it made it easier to supply the same ammo to every soldier, rather than having to match a specific round to his weapon.
So, the 6.8 Special Purpose Cartridge was designed by Remington to bridge this gap. They wanted the compactness of a .223 with the drop-you-dead power of the .308.
6.8mm was actually chosen for a reason also. From studies shown, 6.5mm seems to be one of the most stable rounds in terms of ballistics. There's a reason it's one of the most popular calibers for bench rest shooters. So tests were done to compare a 6.8mm round to the 6.5 Grendel that I'm sure many of you are familiar with. The 6.8mm round was slightly less accurate but carried more punch against ballistic targets.
And since the 6.8mm round shares the same diameter as the .270 Winchester, reloading the cartridges gives you tons of options in terms of bullet choice.
The 6.8 SPC is simply a 30 Remington case with a .277 caliber bullet.
Given the comparison, both travel about the same velocity, with the 6.8 possibly being a bit slower. With the bullet technology that exists now, you can get some very consistently-penetrating rounds for shooting hogs. People seem to love the Barnes TTSX rounds for pigging.
So to sum it up, if you buy a Die Set, some powder, cases, primers, and bullets, I will be happy to load you some. If not, get yourself some reloading gear and roll your own. The most expensive part of the 6.8 SPC round is the case. The other parts are plentiful - Small rifle primers, standard rifle powders, and a .277" bullet.
If not, get a .308 with a short barrel. Rock River Arms and DPMS both make 16" .308s. The M1A SOCOM16 and SCAR 17s are also great candidates for .308. The M1A is the grandfather of it anyway...
This post was edited on 9/11/12 at 1:01 am
Posted on 9/11/12 at 2:04 am to DrTyger
What about getting a 5.56 AR and a 300 Blackout barrel? Or even a full 300BO upper? Great for plinking and killing. It's getting easier and easier to find 300 too, or fairly easy to reload.
I currently have an AK and love it. However, I want an AR for accuracy. I have a 10/22 and .22 mag so a 5.56/.223 does nothing for me. However, the ballistics of the 300 BO are great within 300 yards (supersonic) and still very good inside 150 (subsonic). Not sure if you have looked at this round yet but it's an interesting round for sure.
I currently have an AK and love it. However, I want an AR for accuracy. I have a 10/22 and .22 mag so a 5.56/.223 does nothing for me. However, the ballistics of the 300 BO are great within 300 yards (supersonic) and still very good inside 150 (subsonic). Not sure if you have looked at this round yet but it's an interesting round for sure.
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