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re: Baiting up a small dove field?
Posted on 8/15/20 at 4:23 pm to oleyeller
Posted on 8/15/20 at 4:23 pm to oleyeller
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1- black oil sunflower seeds
2- cracked corn
3-wheat
4-crushed oyster shells
This guy knows what he is talking about. I start March 1 every year. The key is to keep the field clean and NEVER let them run out of food. They won't put up with a field running dry.
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Posted on 8/15/20 at 4:51 pm to BarberitosDawg
Why not just do it the legal way, grow a few acres of millet and black oil sunflower, then mow it down a couple of weeks before opening day?
You do realize hunting over a baited field is a serious offense since doves are a Federally regulated migratory bird?
Do you like your shotgun? If so I would advise against it.
You do realize hunting over a baited field is a serious offense since doves are a Federally regulated migratory bird?
Do you like your shotgun? If so I would advise against it.
Posted on 8/15/20 at 5:26 pm to BarberitosDawg
You get caught hunting over a baited field, that federal judge is going to come down hard on you.
The only legal thing you can do at this point is to disc up an area leaving behind fine dirt. Then legally you can sow wheat since it is a winter crop. You must disc it under 7 days before hunting, or it is ruled baiting for doves. So just sow wheat and leave it on the ground until 7 days before season opens. Also, if you can provide fresh cool water, using a water well that will attract them to the soil with your "planted" wheat.
With the planted wheat and cool water on these hot August days, you will see plenty of birds, just be sure that seed gets turned under before hunting day opens, or you will be seeing a district FEDERAL judge, not a local elected state one.
The only legal thing you can do at this point is to disc up an area leaving behind fine dirt. Then legally you can sow wheat since it is a winter crop. You must disc it under 7 days before hunting, or it is ruled baiting for doves. So just sow wheat and leave it on the ground until 7 days before season opens. Also, if you can provide fresh cool water, using a water well that will attract them to the soil with your "planted" wheat.
With the planted wheat and cool water on these hot August days, you will see plenty of birds, just be sure that seed gets turned under before hunting day opens, or you will be seeing a district FEDERAL judge, not a local elected state one.
This post was edited on 8/15/20 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 8/15/20 at 6:19 pm to boudinman
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Then legally you can sow wheat since it is a winter crop. You must disc it under 7 days before hunting, or it is ruled baiting for doves
This is not correct. You can hunt over top sown wheat. You do not have to disk it under.
Posted on 8/15/20 at 6:34 pm to boudinman
Posted on 8/15/20 at 6:49 pm to undrafted
I see we have someone who was uninvited from a dove hunt.
Posted on 8/15/20 at 6:51 pm to GREENHEAD22
Posted on 8/16/20 at 9:00 am to No Colors
It will be up to the game warden to determine if it truly meets the agricultural practice criteria. One best be careful.
Posted on 8/16/20 at 9:09 am to boudinman
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It will be up to the game warden to determine if it truly meets the agricultural practice criteria. One best be careful.
No. It's not a subjective thing. There are lists of agriculture practices. It either meets them or it doesn't. You say that you have to disk under top sown wheat 7 days before the season. That's not correct.
You say that it's up to the Game Warden to determine what is an acceptable agricultural practice. That's simply not true either.
Posted on 8/16/20 at 9:20 am to boudinman
quote:unless the game warden wants to spend time writing tickets that will be thrown out he better just follow the law. It appears that Mississippi spells it out clearly.
It will be up to the game warden to determine if it truly meets the agricultural practice criteria.
I gave up on trying to understand the baiting versus non baiting debate long ago, I simply don’t understand.
But know this, those little rules posted above are all there because a game warden wrote a stupid ticket long ago and a hunter Showed up in court and a judge sided w the hunter and it is forever more defined as a normal ag practice
This post was edited on 8/16/20 at 9:52 am
Posted on 8/16/20 at 12:45 pm to No Colors
You do whatever you like. Dove hunting falls under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. Meaning there are FEDERAL laws that must be followed, in addition to any state laws. Federal laws always super-cede state laws.
USFWS Rules and Regulations for Dove Hunting
USFWS Rules and Regulations for Dove Hunting
Posted on 8/16/20 at 1:19 pm to boudinman
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FEDERAL laws that must be followed, in addition to any state laws. Federal laws always super-cede state laws.
No. shite. I understand how laws work in this country.
So tell me where the law is about disking in wheat 7 days before the season. I'll wait.
This post was edited on 8/16/20 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 8/16/20 at 1:33 pm to No Colors
Pretty sure the main issue with ‘normal agricultural practices’ is that you can generally speaking have live plants. But you can’t plant, for example, sunflowers and then not pick them and have a field of dead ones you are hunting over. Corn maybe similar?
But if it’s something that is in growing season you can grow it, hunt over it, and then whatever happens come harvest time if you aren’t hunting over it doesn’t matter.
But if it’s something that is in growing season you can grow it, hunt over it, and then whatever happens come harvest time if you aren’t hunting over it doesn’t matter.
Posted on 8/16/20 at 1:40 pm to baldona
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But you can’t plant, for example, sunflowers and then not pick them and have a field of dead ones you are hunting over. Corn maybe similar
Absolutely not the case. You are welcome to grow any crop that you please (corn, sunflower, soybeans, etc) and hunt over it at any time. When it is growing. When it has died, etc. You can mow the crop in strips.
In fact, look at dove hunts that take place on National Wildlife Refuges and state Wildlife Management Areas. They plant and hunt over sunflowers, millet, milo, etc. Some is left standing. Some is bush hogged into strips. And this is Green Jeans doing this himself.
Posted on 8/16/20 at 2:57 pm to No Colors
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So tell me where the law is about disking in wheat 7 days before the season. I'll wait.
I made a mistake, so I do apologize. According to the USFWS it is 10 days not 7.
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Baited area means any area on which salt, grain, or other feed has been placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, or scattered, if that salt, grain, or other feed could serve as a lure or attraction for migratory game birds to, on, or over areas where hunters are attempting to take them. Any such area will remain a baited area for 10 days following the complete removal of all such salt, grain, or other feed.
So Sherlock,either pickup every grain of wheat seed or disk it under.
LINK
This post was edited on 8/16/20 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 8/16/20 at 3:18 pm to boudinman
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So Sherlock
Did you read the very document that you linked? The one that says top sowing of wheat is perfectly legal. You can hunt over top sown grains for crops, erosion control, or food plots. It's right there in black and white. Top sown wheat is NOT BAITING.
You can cover a field in cracked corn all summer if you want. That has to be totally gone or completely disked under 10 days before you hunt.
Also, that stupid shite you posted in a thread about a "friend" who planted some sweet potatoes in a garden and the State came and made him plow them up. Yeah, that's total horseshite also.
You have to get a commercial sweet potatoe dealers permit only if you are a commercial grower dealer. It absolutely does not apply to gardens for personal consumption or even road side sales. Only through PACA markets. (Perishable Agriculture Commodities Act).
And no one has ever been told to plow up a field of potatoes. The law has only ever been enforced one time. In 2007, against a commercial farmer who refused to renew his permit over a period of several years. He was never ordered to plow up his crop.
That shite never happened. And your misstatement of the facts and the law only serves to confuse people and foster misinformation. If you don't know what you're talking about, do us all a favor and shut the frick up.
Posted on 8/16/20 at 3:36 pm to No Colors
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You can hunt over top sown grains for crops, erosion control, or food plots.
While this statement is true, I did say it's up to the interpretation of the federal or state wardens to decide if your sown wheat meets this criteria. If not it's considered baiting and subject to the 10 day rule. Again, you can always explain yourself to the presiding federal judge in your case if ever ticketed for hunting doves over bait. Maybe he'll take your word for it over that of those federal or state wardens.
The laws in regards to growing and selling sweet potatoes are different North of I 10 and South of I 10 here in Louisiana. No fresh sweet potatoes may be grown and sold in Louisiana South of I 10 in Louisiana. Any fresh sweet potatoes grown for sale in North Louisiana the grower must purchase a permit, have the area inspected by a La Dept of Ag person, and installation of a sweet potato weevil trap.
Should you ever visit Northeast Louisiana I will personally take you to the residence of that man that was growing 3-5 acres of sweet potatoes for sale to the general public, and had a La Dept of Ag employee show up to his door and order him to disc under his acreage because his site wasn't registered nor did he have a permit.
This post was edited on 8/16/20 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 8/16/20 at 3:48 pm to baldona
quote:This is not correct, at all.
But you can’t plant, for example, sunflowers and then not pick them and have a field of dead ones you are hunting over. Corn maybe similar?
Posted on 8/16/20 at 3:54 pm to boudinman
quote:Not being ugly here, but what the hell does this have to do with anything?
The laws in regards to growing and selling sweet potatoes are different North of I 10 and South of I 10 here in Louisiana. No fresh sweet potatoes may be grown and sold in Louisiana South of I 10 in Louisiana. Any fresh sweet potatoes grown for sale in North Louisiana the grower must purchase a permit, have the area inspected by a La Dept of Ag person, and installation of a sweet potato weevil trap.
Should you ever visit Northeast Louisiana I will personally take you to the residence of that man that was growing 3-5 acres of sweet potatoes for sale to the general public, and had a La Dept of Ag employee show up to his door and order him to disc under his acreage because his site wasn't registered nor did he have a permit.
Posted on 8/16/20 at 4:06 pm to tigerfoot
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Also, that stupid shite you posted in a thread about a "friend" who planted some sweet potatoes in a garden and the State came and made him plow them up. Yeah, that's total horse shite also.
I was replying to Mr. No Colors, the Ole Piss fan trying to call me out about a prior post I had made.
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