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Expanding foam to set fence posts - OB opinions?

Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:42 am
Posted by OntarioTiger
Canada
Member since Nov 2007
2209 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:42 am
Expanding foam to set fence posts – Anybody try this stuff? Its a 2 part expanding foam that “replaces” cement for setting fence posts – link LINK / . Online reviews are mixed and since my 19 yr old is home from college I will likley go w/ cement as I have the horsepower at home ;)
Posted by Lebron Games
Member since Apr 2015
343 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:44 am to
is there something wrong with using concrete?

If it ain't broke don't fix it
Posted by DownSouthDave
Member since Jan 2013
7476 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:47 am to
I would never trust that to something with mixed reviews. It doesn't take much horsepower to pour a bag of quikrete in a hole. I would go with concrete.
Posted by OntarioTiger
Canada
Member since Nov 2007
2209 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:48 am to
easier to handle - believe me I am leaning towards a few 50lb sacks of cement
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46117 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:49 am to
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I would never trust that to something with mixed reviews. It doesn't take much horsepower to pour a bag of quikrete in a hole. I would go with concrete.


This
Posted by DownSouthDave
Member since Jan 2013
7476 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:55 am to
I put one 50lb sack of fast set in each hole. I know some people are against pouring in and soaking, but they advertise doing that with this product. It's 1000x better than mixing then pouring into a hole.

Quikrete fast setting

Posted by Dirtman16
Madison, AL
Member since Nov 2012
410 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:58 am to
quote:

In our tests, we actually get better performance results with Fast 2K than with concrete in terms of resistance to lateral force. The post does not break as easily with Fast 2K as it does with concrete. Concrete is very rigid and has no give to it, so the total lateral force is on the wood post. Fast 2K absorbs some of the force and has a little give to it so the post does not break.


This section from their FAQ would give me pause. Sure, the post may not break as easily, but if the foam doesn't rebound after loading, your fence posts may be permanently loose or wobbly.

These kinds of materials (though probably not quite the same) are used in commercial construction, though they are often injected into soil rather than cured in an open hole. The combo of the soil/foam matrix is normally a good bit stronger than the foam itself.

I'd just use concrete.
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
7352 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:05 am to
I've never had a problem with pouring a sack or two of cheap concrete in in the holes and then spraying them with water. I would think the weight of the concrete would help in high winds vs foam, too.
Posted by DeoreDX
Member since Oct 2010
4140 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:16 am to
I'll just assume that all of that two part expanding polyurethane post setting stuff is the same. We use that in the telecom industry to set utility poles. Works really dang good for that. Also use it for fixing old wobbly poles. If it was inferior to concrete for setting utility poles it would not be used. We've been using it in the industry as long as I've worked in it, over 16 years.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25326 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 11:04 am to
pole depth, surface area of pole, difficulty in digging down around pole to fix a wobbly one, etc. are all different with telephone poles vs fence posts.
Posted by SouthboundTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2014
1084 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 11:10 am to
Just use portland cement and the spoils from digging the holes. Sets fast, is really hard, and you will use less than if buying concrete.
Posted by Indigold
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2013
1710 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 11:19 am to
Spinoff question: I dug my holes for the posts this weekend with an auger, and it appears I'm below the water table at 2 and a half feet. There's about 8 inches of water in every hole. Will the posts rot quicker if I put them directly in water like that and then pour concrete? I've read that you should put a few inches of gravel at the bottom to allow for drainage, but that's not gonna help if the bottom is always filled with water. Should I treat the bottoms with something?
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 1:15 pm
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
26874 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 12:44 pm to
You could put some concrete in the hole first and then put the post down. That would surround the post in concrete and help a little but those just won't last as long as the others.

But they will still last 10yrs+
Posted by SUNNYSMILES
Member since May 2018
1 post
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:07 pm to
I have a horse farm in Missouri. I put all of my posts in the ground with foam. My horses are very hard on the posts and as long as the posts are not in wet ground they stay where I put them. I will not do it any other way. Its easy and I can install a fence line in one day! My husband thought I was crazy but when he came home I had all the posts set and ready to string wire. I love it!! Mix small batches at a time! Get all your posts ready and pour. I use small sticks to hold the posts up while drying.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
32543 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 2:22 pm to
if you use enough of the bagged concrete - it can and does cause breathing problems and other health issues. Even if you wear a mask - the amount of this stuff that gets onto your clothes and eyes is not good.


when you follow the directions the sika mix is spot on..... now as for long term...... check back in a year or two.... my posts sans concrete are all new... but so far so good.
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6915 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 4:53 pm to
quote:

if you use enough of the bagged concrete - it can and does cause breathing problems and other health issues. Even if you wear a mask - the amount of this stuff that gets onto your clothes and eyes is not good.



The person that is buying expanding foam for fence posts isn't going to be using enough bagged concrete to gag a gnat. This is like saying use flex seal instead of welding the pinhole in the bottom of your aluminum boat to protect your skin and eyes.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46117 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 4:59 pm to
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SUNNYSMILES


Damn a 2-year thread bump on your first post...
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