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Grafting Pecan Trees

Posted on 1/2/14 at 12:12 pm
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 12:12 pm
I thought this was an interesting topic. Especially since it is almost time to prepare for this process.

Harvesting and preparing scion wood

2 different ways of grafting...

I'd follow this man and that glorious beard into battle, much less a pecan orchard.
Posted by fishfighter
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 12:26 pm to
Been doing this for many years. I have around 100 small trees in plastic pots to graft in Feb/March.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 12:33 pm to
I've been hand selecting pecans with desirable traits with the plans to sprout then plant this spring.

I started doing research and apparently I'm going about it the wrong way.

Now I need to get in the top of a couple good trees I like and prune me a few sticks.
Posted by fishfighter
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 12:39 pm to
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Now I need to get in the top of a couple good trees I like and prune me a few sticks


You have to wait till you see buds popping out for next years growth.

Picking pecans to plant from seed, you still will have to graft them.
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 12:47 pm to
Looks like the guy from the Dr. Pepper ten commercials.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 12:51 pm to
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Picking pecans to plant from seed, you still will have to graft them.
Why is that? To reduce time until production?

Here is what I have so far... From left to right, some small candy pecans. My mom likes those for candies and fudges. Next are big, but more importantly, they are the thinnest shelled, easiest cleaning pecans I've come across. The last are just good old meaty arse pecans, hard cracking though.





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You have to wait till you see buds popping out for next years growth.

So February?

Posted by fishfighter
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:54 pm to
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So February?


Late February. Depends on how cold. When you cut, cut them 7"-8" with at lease two buds. Use candle wax to seal both ends and put them in ziplock bags. From there, throw them in your freezer till you are ready to graft.

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Why is that? To reduce time until production?


If the seeds came from a grafted tree, there is a big chance it will grow back to a native tree.

I try to plant X amount of seeds every year from Elliot pecan trees. I then graft Elliot to the new trees that come up. Those are your best pecans by far and also bring in the most money. They start to produce around 8 years old.

It takes 3 years to produce a grafted tree for planting. You can cut that down if you have small native trees growing already by topping them and then graft them in place.

On those big pecans, those are papershell. Good for cooking with, but doesn't have much oil in them. Those trees don't like wind all that much once they get around 25 years old. Big branches will break.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:12 pm to
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I try to plant X amount of seeds every year from Elliot pecan trees. I then graft Elliot to the new trees that come up. Those are your best pecans by far and also bring in the most money. They start to produce around 8 years old.

It takes 3 years to produce a grafted tree for planting. You can cut that down if you have small native trees growing already by topping them and then graft them in place.


I understand.

I'm just trying to get a couple for my yard and camp. I need to go ahead and seed what I like, but then go back and graft from the parent tree to the sapling.

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On those big pecans, those are papershell. Good for cooking with, but doesn't have much oil in them. Those trees don't like wind all that much once they get around 25 years old. Big branches will break.


Yeah the tree they came out of is huge, and does drop a big limb every year or so.
Posted by fishfighter
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:22 pm to
If you are only looking for a few, you might just buy them. They cost around $30 each and that will save you three years.

Mean time, plant the seeds you have were you want a tree. Place the seeds in the freezer for a few weeks, plant them about 3" down in good moist ground. Cover with some leaves. Keep area moist all the time. They should come up in the spring.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 2:26 pm
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 7:01 pm to
You have a point about just buying them, but that doesn't guarantee what graft you get. As opposed to saying I like this tree, I'm cutting this limb out of it.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 2:47 pm to
I planted 3 pecans 2 sprouted... I'm going to transplant this afternoon so I don't screw up the tap root in the pot.

Posted by Assassin
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:21 pm to
Why is grafting necessary? There obviously wasn't always grafting. Sincere question.
Posted by jeffsdad
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:18 pm to
When you graft you GET the exact same tree the graft came from...its part of the tree you want and all its characteristics. no chance of getting anything else.
Posted by Assassin
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:36 pm to
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When you graft you GET the exact same tree the graft came from...its part of the tree you want and all its characteristics. no chance of getting anything else.
But I want a pecan tree.

EDIT: My question is in reference to why not plant a pecan rather than using a different root stock.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 6:38 pm
Posted by fishfighter
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:38 pm to
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But I want a pecan tree.


Any pecan tree will bear nuts, but if you are looking for a good nut, grafting is a sure way. Besides, a native tree takes 12 to as many as 18 years before they bear nuts.

Yes, native trees are better, but you never know what you have on the size of the nut. Also, native nuts sell for about half price.
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:11 pm to
Thank you.
Posted by jmkidder
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:19 pm to
Know nothing about grafting but do know that my grandfather had a tree with about 12 different types of pecans on it. Guess it was kinda of his practice tree.
Posted by fishfighter
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Posted on 4/18/14 at 5:05 am to
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Know nothing about grafting but do know that my grandfather had a tree with about 12 different types of pecans on it. Guess it was kinda of his practice tree.



I have one tree that produces three different nuts.

I did ok with my trees from this last cold front. So far it looks like a great crop this year if we don't get any big storms. Last years crop was below 30%.
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