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HVAC Expansion Valve vs Piston?

Posted on 6/30/20 at 7:33 pm
Posted by dlambe5
Prairieville
Member since Jul 2009
688 posts
Posted on 6/30/20 at 7:33 pm
Expansion valve went out. AC guy was trying to push me to a piston. He said he will do either one I want. What’s the pros and cons of each?

I have a single stage in unit.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 7:34 pm
Posted by EF Hutton
Member since Jan 2018
2366 posts
Posted on 6/30/20 at 8:12 pm to
The expansion valve is more efficient because it has a sensor monitoring the leaving line . If it warms up, the valve opens to let more liquid refrig into the coil.

The piston is a pre set hole in thousands of an inch. It is laboratory figured out which number to use for 72 deg. It cannot adjust if your house temp gets out of the box such as returning from trip, party with kids leaving door open, etc
Posted by EF Hutton
Member since Jan 2018
2366 posts
Posted on 6/30/20 at 8:15 pm to
Some techs burn up the new valve trying to solder it in. They don’t use good ol wet rags or enough of them. They overheat the sensor and blow the actuator diaphram. Must have a good experienced tech without his boss riding him to hurry up.
Posted by EF Hutton
Member since Jan 2018
2366 posts
Posted on 6/30/20 at 8:17 pm to
Valve should run $ 65 to $100, Carrier being the most costly. I would do the valve. Leak test with nitrogen . Valves are refrigerant specific- R22 or R 410a.
So are the piston numbers. A big thing with pistons is many think the same piston is
“ close enough “ for either freon. They are not. .067 vs .076 is a big performance difference.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 8:24 pm
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
21133 posts
Posted on 6/30/20 at 8:44 pm to
Expansion valve
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5594 posts
Posted on 6/30/20 at 8:52 pm to
Piston/Orifice is a much simpler refrigerant metering device than a TXV (thermal expansion valve), and the pros of a piston is its simplicity and it is reliable and will not fail, the con it is not quite as efficient as a TXV in regards to metering refrigerant into the evaporator coil with changing conditions. The TXV when working properly controls refrigerant superheat within a narrow range which is an advantage to HVAC efficiency, but I’ve read where that increased efficiency may not be that high, and the con as you’ve found out is that they can fail.

For a single stage HVAC, as you have, particularly if it is an older unit, I’d give serious consideration to having him install a piston. It should be a cheaper repair. If it’s a newer unit with many more years of anticipated life, I’d probably go back with a TXV.

I’m not a HVAC professional but I’ve watched several video of HVAC tech replacing bad TXVs with pistons and I’ve seen this suggestion on several occasions by HVAC techs on the HVAC-Talk forum. For example this is a direct quote from a tech on the HVAC-Talk forum to a similar question as yours “Some guys like TXVs others like pistons, just like some like Chevys and others like Fords. The main difference is a TXV will make your system more efficient and provide some protection to the compressor by controlling superheat.”
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 9:01 am
Posted by EF Hutton
Member since Jan 2018
2366 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 6:37 am to
So, what happen to OP ?
Posted by kew48
Covington Louisiana
Member since Sep 2006
1309 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 6:52 am to
TXV more efficient, less reliable over long term. Piston, less efficient but bullet proof ! Go with TXV !
Posted by dlambe5
Prairieville
Member since Jul 2009
688 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:30 am to
Thanks guys. Going with TXV
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