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Pros and cons of putting water in the back tires of a tractor

Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:06 am
Posted by Leon Spinks
Texas
Member since Aug 2016
2293 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:06 am
Need some help deciding if I should put water in the tires or just hook up a box blade to add more weight in the back.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
69010 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 3:47 am to
Water is pretty much just permanent weight. If your tractor is light in the arse for what you're doing add water. Bout all there is to it.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14493 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 6:24 am to
Do you have a bucket on the tractor?
Posted by pdubya76
Sw Ms
Member since Mar 2012
6375 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 6:48 am to
My tractor has water in the rear tires. No issues at all.
Posted by Bow08tie
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
4488 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:50 am to
If you have a FIL or use a grapple water in the rear tires is beneficial

I run water in all four tires of my tractors
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8302 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 10:54 am to
quote:

I run water in all four tires of my tractors


Got alcohol in all 4 of mine, but that's because it gets much colder here in the winter than it does down there. Alcohol won't freeze. And yes, the added weight makes a big difference with traction, balance, and safety.
Posted by Nodust
Member since Aug 2010
22711 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:16 am to
Con- adds weight when towing. According to the manual I have 500# per tire in mine.

Pros - traction. Can’t lift back tires off ground when using loader.

The extra weight towing isn’t a big deal really.
Posted by Bigbee Hills
Member since Feb 2019
1531 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:55 am to
Your "pros" section is also one of- if not the biggest con- that a tractor operator can do, too. It is a primary concern for why rear counterweighting is done by default on tractors with a FEL. In short, if you ever find yourself doing something that is lifting the rear end of a tractor up...don't. If it's a common occurrence then the machine is too small for the task or you need counterweights of some kind, e.g., water, wheel weights, etc.

Outside of doing something stupid, one of the most dangerous situations a man can find himself in while on a tractor (or at least a compact/subcompact utility tractor) is when his back tires leave the ground. Because of the way nearly all tractors are designed, once the weight of the machine is placed onto the front of the tractor, along with the pulling pressure of the weight/anchored object that caused it, you have a very limited amount of time to get things back in order or you're going for a ride. If you don't right the ship, the best you can hope for is that something breaks before it rolls- because then something is really gonna break (probably including you).

Agreeing with Nodust, there is no real "con" to putting water in your back tires for most people. Some use alchohol, some (like myself) use a mixture of the non-toxic (or toxic) antifreeze and water. A heavy tractor that sticks to the ground is a safe, hard pulling tractor. A tractor's worst enemy is being too light, and it's one gripe I have about my Kubotas: They're notoriously light in weight, and other measures (sometimes extensive ones) have to be taken to mitigate for that- and those measures cost extra time and money.

Regardless, even if a tractor I buy is manufactured "heavy enough," water/antifreeze will be going into the tires.

The heavier a tractor the better; because gaining as much ground contact and traction to get the most out of all that torque is what makes tractors do tractor stuff.*

*The one exception to that rule are machines used exclusively for turf applications; where as light of a footprint as is possible to allow the work to be done is most desirable.
Posted by smelvis
Member since Nov 2010
2107 posts
Posted on 6/24/19 at 4:57 am to
Couple of things on water. First it voids warranty on radial tires. Second, if you’re using it as rear ballast for a loader it does a really poor job. When you add a loader to a tractor it makes the front axle the pivot point of the machine when there’s a load out front. Adding water or wheel weights doesn’t place the counterweight far enough back to actually take weight off that front axle - it just makes the back axle/tires heavier. You only remove weight off front axle by counterweighting further back.

Hanging something (ballast box, bushhog, round bale of hay) off the 3 point hitch is much MUCH better for a loader. Water is fine though if you have tires out of warranty, bias tires, or you need rear ballast for traction.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:25 am to
quote:

Adding water or wheel weights doesn’t place the counterweight far enough back to actually take weight off that front axle - it just makes the back axle/tires heavier. You only remove weight off front axle by counterweighting further back.


I get what you're saying here but your physics is off a bit.

The further back you add weight, the less weight it takes to offset the front load. It takes a lot at the tires vs not as alot hanging way off the 3pt hitch. Ballasting the tires is definitely effective though.

Like someone said earlier, the vast majority of tractors benefit from water/weight at the tires.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14493 posts
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:41 am to
I have a tractor for cutting a piece of property in Lafayette. The other day I went changed the oil and was planning on going to some cutting. I notice the tires look low so I go to add air and water just comes out when I put the air chuck on the stem. What is the trick to putting air in water filled tires.

Since I realized the rear tires have water in them I bought a air gauge for water filled tires to check the pressure. Also, my plan is to jack up the rear of the tractor and hopefully by taking the weight off the tires it allows the water to drop below the tire stem.

If this doesn't work I'm out of ideas other than taking the tractor to someone and getting the water completely taken out of the tires. All I use the tractor for is bush hogging. I think the previous owner had a frontend loader installed and that is why they put water in the tires.
Posted by StarkvilleTiger
Starkville
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:12 am to
Make sure the valve stem is at the very top when filling tires with air
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14493 posts
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:28 am to
quote:

Make sure the valve stem is at the very top when filling tires with air


did this
Posted by Nodust
Member since Aug 2010
22711 posts
Posted on 6/24/19 at 11:39 am to
You may need to take some water out. It shouldn't be more than 3/4 full. Mine are 1/2 full. Just rotate valve stem to half way. Take out the inner part of stem. let the water drain.

Even when my air stem is on the bottom adding air isn't a problem. The air compressor pressure is way higher than my tire pressure.

Not sure I described this correctly.
Posted by Bow08tie
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
4488 posts
Posted on 6/24/19 at 12:21 pm to
To much water in tire
Let some water out
Posted by Bow08tie
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
4488 posts
Posted on 6/24/19 at 12:22 pm to
Your absolute statements aren't exactly accurate
Posted by smelvis
Member since Nov 2010
2107 posts
Posted on 6/24/19 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

I get what you're saying here but your physics is off a bit.



Maybe.

But my scales are not and neither are the manufacturer’s recommendations. You simply arent transferring enough weight off the front axle using fluid. Does it help - maybe and maybe not. On tractors I’ve used in the past it simply did not work and led to premature axle wear on the front end and a rear end failure. Additionally, you need to go by your manufacturer recs because some models are not designed for additional ballast on axles. Check out the Deere recs here. Additionally, as I stated, radial tires filled with fluid will not be warrantied and I’ve seen Michelin, Goodyear, and Firestone turn down customer claims.

I once saw a claim submitted to Goodyear turned down on tires less than a year old. I wouldn’t use water on anything larger than a 40 or so horsepower tractor and it would be my last resort.
Posted by smelvis
Member since Nov 2010
2107 posts
Posted on 6/24/19 at 2:34 pm to
quote:

Your absolute statements aren't exactly accurate



Maybe not. They are representative of 15 years in the equipment industry with experience at two farm equipment manufacturers, more years than I care to admit working at and owning a dealership for a company that rhymes with Juan Beer, and a lifetime of farming experience though.

ETA: I read that and it sounds douchey but I’ma leave it as is. Suffice to say though, I’m not trying to be a douchebag. There are better options than water for ballast - especially if you have radials on a tractor. However, if you want to run water and it works for you, knock yourself out.
This post was edited on 6/24/19 at 2:47 pm
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14493 posts
Posted on 6/24/19 at 2:52 pm to
the video you linked says that adding water to tires is a recommended method for adding weight to the back of a tractor.

quote:

You simply arent transferring enough weight off the front axle using fluid. Does it help - maybe and maybe not.


adding water to the rear tires of a tractor does help.

quote:

On tractors I’ve used in the past it simply did not work and led to premature axle wear on the front end and a rear end failure.


How does adding water to the tires lead to premature axle wear? This weight is not supported by the axle unless the tractor is jacked up off the ground.

quote:

Additionally, you need to go by your manufacturer recs because some models are not designed for additional ballast on axles.


Well this would mean you shouldn't add wheel weights or a three point weight either.
This post was edited on 6/24/19 at 3:02 pm
Posted by Bow08tie
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
4488 posts
Posted on 6/24/19 at 3:01 pm to
Yeah, I'm gonna go with the water for my applications.
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