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Pros and cons on Yamaha boats
Posted on 6/12/22 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 6/12/22 at 3:45 pm
Moving to the lake and have a boat house and bulkhead with a lift.
Looking at Yamaha wake board/surf boat.
Any tips?
Looking at Yamaha wake board/surf boat.
Any tips?
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Posted on 6/12/22 at 4:51 pm to JoseVargasTX
I don’t have one but have friends who do or did. They all say the same thing, there’s a definite learning curve with handling and docking/trailering as opposed to a traditional outboard. That’s all I got.
Posted on 6/12/22 at 4:53 pm to JoseVargasTX
My dad has a 2003 Yamaha with dual jet ski engines
Nice boat. Rides good. Reliable. Upholstery has no issues, electronics all work. Only issue with one of the motors was control module needed replacing
Good boat for the price range. It takes getting used to driving with jets, you can’t steer it when you idle or drift and trailering takes finesse especially with a cross wind. Recommend buying the rudder attachment for the jets to help with this
ETA damn boats have gotten high. 80-90k for the Yamaha these days. My dad paid 10k for his SR230 used, in like new condition back in 2013. The new ones then were 30-40k. The same 2003 sr230 is now worth 25k In good condition. Never thought I’d see the day boats appreciate in value
Nice boat. Rides good. Reliable. Upholstery has no issues, electronics all work. Only issue with one of the motors was control module needed replacing
Good boat for the price range. It takes getting used to driving with jets, you can’t steer it when you idle or drift and trailering takes finesse especially with a cross wind. Recommend buying the rudder attachment for the jets to help with this
ETA damn boats have gotten high. 80-90k for the Yamaha these days. My dad paid 10k for his SR230 used, in like new condition back in 2013. The new ones then were 30-40k. The same 2003 sr230 is now worth 25k In good condition. Never thought I’d see the day boats appreciate in value
This post was edited on 6/12/22 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 6/12/22 at 5:04 pm to JoseVargasTX
If you really want to wakeboard/surf, I would look elsewhere. They will make a fair wake, but nothing compared to true inboard wake boats like Nautique, MC, Malibu, Supra, Axis, Moomba, etc.
As mentioned in the previous post, there is a learning curve to drive it. And they are very loud to ride behind. They’re popular because of the entry level price.
As mentioned in the previous post, there is a learning curve to drive it. And they are very loud to ride behind. They’re popular because of the entry level price.
Posted on 6/12/22 at 10:34 pm to DR93Berlin
I've wakeboarded behind every boat there is. I'm 47 and I could still get up behind a jon boat with a 20 hp motor.
I wouldn't get a Yamaha wake boat unless you got a stupid deal. The best I've been towed by is a Mastercraft. My wife's uncle and my wife's sister have Mastercrafts. A Mastercraft with Perfect Pass is the best way to ski or wakeboard and I've tried them all.
My 47 year old arse was wakeboarding today behind a 230 hp Seadoo Wake Pro jet ski.
I wouldn't get a Yamaha wake boat unless you got a stupid deal. The best I've been towed by is a Mastercraft. My wife's uncle and my wife's sister have Mastercrafts. A Mastercraft with Perfect Pass is the best way to ski or wakeboard and I've tried them all.
My 47 year old arse was wakeboarding today behind a 230 hp Seadoo Wake Pro jet ski.
This post was edited on 6/12/22 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 7:49 am to JoseVargasTX
What is the appeal of jet drive boat?
Pushing a boat through the water with a propeller is pretty darn inefficient, removing the most constant part of that equation (the prop), seems naturally even more inefficient.
Meanwhile most every boat from a surface drive to an aircraft carrier use propellers.
I think I'll go read their website to understand how they sell these things.
ETA: I could find nothing on their site discussing the advantages over traditional propulsion. Is it just the fear of a prop mixed with watersports?
Pushing a boat through the water with a propeller is pretty darn inefficient, removing the most constant part of that equation (the prop), seems naturally even more inefficient.
Meanwhile most every boat from a surface drive to an aircraft carrier use propellers.
I think I'll go read their website to understand how they sell these things.
ETA: I could find nothing on their site discussing the advantages over traditional propulsion. Is it just the fear of a prop mixed with watersports?
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 7:54 am
Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:33 am to Grassy1
Plenty of downvotes, but no words to counter?
Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:44 am to JoseVargasTX
If you’re wanting a boat to create wake the Yamaha is probably not the best option. That being said I have a Yamaha 212 S. It’s nice. I’ve had no maintenance issues. I have an autistic nephew so the old man didn’t want a prop. I would say the maneuverability isn’t quite as good as a typical outboard and if you ever want to park it on a sandy shore you can’t do it. You’ll never get the boat out of the sand.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:55 am to JoseVargasTX
I have a 2017 Yamaha 242. Bought it because we bring guests up to the lake a lot and it seemed once a year someone would kick the prop on the Chaparral.
Pros:
- Love the low swim platform and rear lounge seats.
- No prop and safe to play around the boat.
- Pulls tubes great and easy to get kids off the wake and move around.
- Love the maneuvering and handling.
- Nice oversized high-speed bimini w/ solar panels that charge the batteries
- Yamaha built a quality boat and it looks great! They changed the body style in 2016 and again in 2020. All great changes.
Cons:
- It's terrible for wake surfing unless you spend more money for aftermarket bags. Requires extra ballast bags. Don't fall for the marketing on the "X" versions with internal bags. Still not enough.
- It's not the best for wakeboarding if looking for crazy jumps.
- Jet pumps can suck up debris and potentially ruin a trip. Yamaha does have a hatch you can access the impeller and use a knife to cut up a rope if you suck one up. I sucked up a sprite bottle cap and could get it out. I had to limp home and trailer it. Don't stick your arms in the pumps while in the water in case you get stuck. No point in drowning just to save a day on the water.
- You need a 75 foot pull rope to keep the jet spray away from the tube/wakeboarder (not a major con, but unique to jet boats)
Jetboaters.net is a great resource and a pretty decent forum with active users. Go there and peruse the threads and you can learn enough to make a decision.
Pros:
- Love the low swim platform and rear lounge seats.
- No prop and safe to play around the boat.
- Pulls tubes great and easy to get kids off the wake and move around.
- Love the maneuvering and handling.
- Nice oversized high-speed bimini w/ solar panels that charge the batteries
- Yamaha built a quality boat and it looks great! They changed the body style in 2016 and again in 2020. All great changes.
Cons:
- It's terrible for wake surfing unless you spend more money for aftermarket bags. Requires extra ballast bags. Don't fall for the marketing on the "X" versions with internal bags. Still not enough.
- It's not the best for wakeboarding if looking for crazy jumps.
- Jet pumps can suck up debris and potentially ruin a trip. Yamaha does have a hatch you can access the impeller and use a knife to cut up a rope if you suck one up. I sucked up a sprite bottle cap and could get it out. I had to limp home and trailer it. Don't stick your arms in the pumps while in the water in case you get stuck. No point in drowning just to save a day on the water.
- You need a 75 foot pull rope to keep the jet spray away from the tube/wakeboarder (not a major con, but unique to jet boats)
Jetboaters.net is a great resource and a pretty decent forum with active users. Go there and peruse the threads and you can learn enough to make a decision.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 1:10 pm to JoseVargasTX
I have a 2020 210FSH sport...
My kids don't wake surf as I didn't want to mess with adding a wake shaper or ballast bag but they do tube and knee board. We have a long rope to get out of the jet spray.
The boat has two 1L jet ski engines, which are considered to be highly reliable. Some of the 21ft and larger boats have the 1.8L supercharged engines. I like that the engines are easily accessible and fairly easy to work on. Yamaha is the only jet drive boat brand with jet pump access ports so WHEN you suck up some crap, you can get it out. I've sucked up the ski rope a couple of times, limbs, sea weed etc... and have always been able to clear it out. I have seen someone get a stick jammed in the impeller which they couldn't get out without removing the impeller (which is easy out of the water). You can drive the boat in really shallow water, but you have to be careful with the throttles as not to suck sand or mud into the cooling system. Not really a big deal...just be aware of it.
Other possible negatives... there can be a learning curve on low speed maneuvering (docking or loading). They do make a product called Thrust Vectors and Lateral Thrusters that greatly improve low speed performance, but with practice you don't really need those. The boats are also pretty damn loud at speed with the high revving engines.
Positives for me... rear swim deck, no props, 2 engines, fun to drive, no trimming motors.
My kids don't wake surf as I didn't want to mess with adding a wake shaper or ballast bag but they do tube and knee board. We have a long rope to get out of the jet spray.
The boat has two 1L jet ski engines, which are considered to be highly reliable. Some of the 21ft and larger boats have the 1.8L supercharged engines. I like that the engines are easily accessible and fairly easy to work on. Yamaha is the only jet drive boat brand with jet pump access ports so WHEN you suck up some crap, you can get it out. I've sucked up the ski rope a couple of times, limbs, sea weed etc... and have always been able to clear it out. I have seen someone get a stick jammed in the impeller which they couldn't get out without removing the impeller (which is easy out of the water). You can drive the boat in really shallow water, but you have to be careful with the throttles as not to suck sand or mud into the cooling system. Not really a big deal...just be aware of it.
Other possible negatives... there can be a learning curve on low speed maneuvering (docking or loading). They do make a product called Thrust Vectors and Lateral Thrusters that greatly improve low speed performance, but with practice you don't really need those. The boats are also pretty damn loud at speed with the high revving engines.
Positives for me... rear swim deck, no props, 2 engines, fun to drive, no trimming motors.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 1:24 pm to Grassy1
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ETA: I could find nothing on their site discussing the advantages over traditional propulsion. Is it just the fear of a prop mixed with watersports?
For me yes. I like not having to worry about the prop and having the entire rear deck to swim or fish off of. I do have a boat with props as well, but I can't tow that thing to lakes for skiing/partying.
It's just a fun reliable (for a boat) platform and Yamaha has a ton of different models and lengths. It's also about the cheapest/smallest boat you can get with 2 engines.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:37 pm to JoseVargasTX
I have a 20 model 195 FSH Sport. Great all around boat. I came from a 226 Majek to this, big difference...but the Yammy is way more fun and practical. It fishes well enough for me these days and the comfort factor is night and day from the Majek. The Yammy has a 250 hp motor and I get 50 out of WOT.
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