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question about trailers with ez lube spindles and rubber plugs on dust cap
Posted on 11/7/19 at 7:47 am
Posted on 11/7/19 at 7:47 am
my bearings are rusty as hell and it appears like water got into them but the rubber plugs are still soft and seem to still be like new. its the drilled out spindles with the grease passage to rear bearings and the zerk on the end.
i was just wondering, and seeking advice if i should be considering a different style of cap thats sealed like buddy bearings or regular solid caps rather then a rubber plug that pops out. im ok with it being less easy to add grease as long as i know for certain its not letting water in.
anyone else have similar issues with these and can give advise how to go now that im completely redoing all the bearings?
one bearing had major failure, lucky i didnt lose a wheel on the road, and the other the grease is a milky rust color orange so im sure its letting in water as well but not 100% sure the source was the rubber plug or if the rear hub seals just failed.
this is what i am talking about

i was just wondering, and seeking advice if i should be considering a different style of cap thats sealed like buddy bearings or regular solid caps rather then a rubber plug that pops out. im ok with it being less easy to add grease as long as i know for certain its not letting water in.
anyone else have similar issues with these and can give advise how to go now that im completely redoing all the bearings?
one bearing had major failure, lucky i didnt lose a wheel on the road, and the other the grease is a milky rust color orange so im sure its letting in water as well but not 100% sure the source was the rubber plug or if the rear hub seals just failed.
this is what i am talking about

This post was edited on 11/7/19 at 8:11 am
Posted on 11/7/19 at 7:58 am to keakar
it's not the cap that's leaking water. It's your inner seals
the seal all the way to the right named double lip seal.

the seal all the way to the right named double lip seal.

Posted on 11/7/19 at 8:13 am to keakar
that's just the replacement for the front dust cap. It's spring loaded to push grease into the bearings. The rest should be the same and the hub should have an inner seal.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 8:17 am to keakar
quote:
um, thats not the right one, thats the old style,
The only difference in his pic and what you have is the dust cap and the fact you have a grease zert in the end of your spindle.
If you want to stay with what you have get new bearings, races and seals. With that set up I normally pull the grease zert out, you have to for clearance, install new bearings and races along with buddy bearings.
Another option many do now is get the Vortex hubs. They’re supposed to be pretty solid.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 8:18 am to Cypressknee
quote:i was just about to mention the Vortex. We put them on my friends trailer 3 years ago and they're doing great.
Another option many do now is get the Vortex hubs. They’re supposed to be pretty solid.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 10:06 am to keakar
Have same setup but with 5,200# axles and can't find the vortex for my hubs. Will shoot new grease in mine friday and watch it get slung out all over my rims the next month. I don't think there is any way to seal those hubs.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 10:19 am to keakar
I have no experience with vortex hubs but they seem like a great idea. You’re going to want to go with bearing buddies at the very least.
The issue you’re having is that the hub gets warm on the way to the launch, then when you back it down water quenches the hub and causes water to be sucked in through any little leak in the seal. Bearing buddies use a plunger to allow for expansion and contraction while always keeping the hub under slight positive pressure. Unless you inspect and repack your bearings once a month then bearing buddies are a must on a boat trailer imo. Closely inspect the spindles and make sure they’re absolutely smooth, any little burr or dirt will cause seal failure since they’re now going to be actually sealing hydraulic pressure applied by the bearing buddy. They do sell sleeves that help a lot and I would recommend them.
Vault hubs solve the same issue, they’re just completely sealed, and obviously you pay for it.
These are the spindle seal sleeve kits. They ended me having grease slung around the inside of my hubs after installing bearing buddies. They create new smooth surfaces for the lip seal to ride on and eliminate a lot of issues.
LINK
The issue you’re having is that the hub gets warm on the way to the launch, then when you back it down water quenches the hub and causes water to be sucked in through any little leak in the seal. Bearing buddies use a plunger to allow for expansion and contraction while always keeping the hub under slight positive pressure. Unless you inspect and repack your bearings once a month then bearing buddies are a must on a boat trailer imo. Closely inspect the spindles and make sure they’re absolutely smooth, any little burr or dirt will cause seal failure since they’re now going to be actually sealing hydraulic pressure applied by the bearing buddy. They do sell sleeves that help a lot and I would recommend them.
Vault hubs solve the same issue, they’re just completely sealed, and obviously you pay for it.
These are the spindle seal sleeve kits. They ended me having grease slung around the inside of my hubs after installing bearing buddies. They create new smooth surfaces for the lip seal to ride on and eliminate a lot of issues.

LINK
This post was edited on 11/7/19 at 10:27 am
Posted on 11/7/19 at 11:47 am to KemoSabe65
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Will shoot new grease in mine friday and watch it get slung out all over my rims the next month
same here.........
Posted on 11/7/19 at 11:58 am to Elusiveporpi
Just a heads up as to why you getting water. After traveling and then backing up to put the boat in the water, the metal temp is warm. The water is sucked up due to the difference in temps.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 12:03 pm to keakar
I have the exact same set up on my boat trailer. Never an issue the 6 years I've had it. Water will get in there no matter what. You have to regularly maintain them. Check the grease before each trip. I replace my bearings and races every year. I use a plastic grease press to push fresh grease into the new bearings before install. Then, once everything is installed I start pumping grease in until it comes out the end and is packed full from the back to the front. After each trip I thoroughly rinse the trailer, wheels and bunks along with boat. Also, I replace the rubber seal regularly! I buy them in bulk. I guess I'm weird. Honestly, these are the simplest to maintain and, personally, wouldn't consider changing a thing. I've lost both dust caps and seals on the ride back to BR from Delacroix this past summer and, despite losing a lot of grease all that was needed was to repack after buying a new caps/seals. Can't do that on those open bath hubs. You lose a seal you aren't getting home unless you have a replacement.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:20 pm to fishfighter
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he boat in the water, the metal temp is warm
This is why I opted to spend the $9,000 for the Yeti axle.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:29 pm to KemoSabe65
If it’s slinging grease the seal is shot and or it’s over greased.
For those whom may not know... When installing a new seal and or set up be sure to put grease in the V groove of the seal where it rides on the spindle also.
For those whom may not know... When installing a new seal and or set up be sure to put grease in the V groove of the seal where it rides on the spindle also.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 5:06 pm to Cypressknee
quote:
Another option many do now is get the Vortex hubs. They’re supposed to be pretty solid.
whats the vortex? is it just the screw on style dust cap with o-ring like the oil bath hubs use so it seals water out but it still uses grease?
Posted on 11/7/19 at 5:12 pm to keakar
just to add more info, the axle is toast so i gotta swap everything out.
its a torsion axle and the spindles are welded on and not replaceable. the spindle has 2 deep gouges, one right in the rear seal area where it seals and the front bearing inner sleeve has seized onto the shaft as well as having a deep gouge partially where the outer bearing needs to sit at. best way to describe it is imagine taking a side grinder and grinding a good 1/8" off the bottom of the spindle in both places
got a new axle on order (comes complete right down to the lug nuts and buddy bearings) so in about 7-10 days to 2 weeks i can go fishing again

its a torsion axle and the spindles are welded on and not replaceable. the spindle has 2 deep gouges, one right in the rear seal area where it seals and the front bearing inner sleeve has seized onto the shaft as well as having a deep gouge partially where the outer bearing needs to sit at. best way to describe it is imagine taking a side grinder and grinding a good 1/8" off the bottom of the spindle in both places

got a new axle on order (comes complete right down to the lug nuts and buddy bearings) so in about 7-10 days to 2 weeks i can go fishing again

This post was edited on 11/7/19 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 11/7/19 at 5:27 pm to keakar
Sucks loosing a axle on the side. Half way to New Orleans, I lost one on a triaxle trailer. There was no way to haul the trailer/boat to a shop due to the size. Had to leave the boat on the side of the interstate, run back to BR, have one built, back to boat and change it on the side of the road. All this in the rain.
Took 10 hours for that to GI. 


Posted on 11/7/19 at 6:35 pm to Bedhog
quote:
Another option many do now is get the Vortex hubs. They’re supposed to be pretty solid.
i was just about to mention the Vortex. We put them on my friends trailer 3 years ago and they're doing great.
I just had the Vortex hubs I ordered delivered today, will be installing shortly.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 7:01 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
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Vortex hubs I ordered delivered today
have had them on my trailer for 8 years now without a problem...
pop it with some Lucas Marine grease every 9 months or year if it needs it...
with the hardened heavy plastic thread on caps it's easy to check your grease...
This post was edited on 11/7/19 at 7:03 pm
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