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Replacing Trailer bunk on Aluminum Boat, treated lumbar?

Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:29 pm
Posted by greenhead11
Member since Feb 2012
949 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:29 pm
Need to replace one of the bunks on my trailer that is rotten. I’ve heard that the copper can leak out of treated 2x4s causing aluminum damage. What says the OB?
Posted by GATORGAR247
Member since Aug 2017
994 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:44 pm to
I'd replace it with treated and get either teflon slides or the plastic bunk covers. Dont use carpet or sit directly on the wood..
Posted by Major Dutch Schaefer
Location: Classified
Member since Nov 2011
35179 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

Dont use carpet


Care to elaborate on this?
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
22723 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:59 pm to
I have a 12yo boat on plastic over treated bunks with no issue
Posted by The Last Coco
On the water
Member since Mar 2009
6864 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

I’ve heard that the copper can leak out of treated 2x4s causing aluminum damage.

100% accurate.

I'm not sure why no carpet if you don't use the treated lumber.

So either go untreated with bunk carpet (don't go cheap on the carpet, use the stuff designed for bunks and stainless hardware); or use treated lumber and some sort of impervious barrier, like PVC, etc...
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5408 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 2:30 pm to
the carpet issue is that it stays wet longer

if you back it down into saltwater and then your aluminum boat sits on that wet salty carpet it can corrode the aluminium


never seen it with my boat but apparently that is an issue
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 2:31 pm
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
8588 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 2:56 pm to
Anybody have composite bunk boards? Seems like a natural solution

Ultimate Bunk Boards
Posted by greenhead11
Member since Feb 2012
949 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:06 pm to
Do you have these? This does seem like the solution. And no rot.
Posted by Splackavellie
Bayou
Member since Oct 2017
11200 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:14 pm to
Have seen them before just haven't experienced an issue with my boat having fished mainly saltwater. Tough to justify the $$$ to get those for me currently. However it does look like a pretty good option.

Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
9679 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:22 pm to
quote:

treated lumbar


See a real doctor, don’t go to a chiropractor
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
8588 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:25 pm to
I don't have the composite bunks, but never had an issue with wood and carpet besides the bolts rusting out. You've never seen a cluster fack until you watch a guy trying to load his boat with one of the bunks trying to float off from one end.
Posted by Tiger-Striped-Bass
The Bay Area
Member since Dec 2004
1270 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:29 pm to
I know someone who had an Xpress that was only two years old, full of pin holes from the treated bunk boards eating through. I had never heard of that before, but supposedly it's the newer pressure treated lumber, not the older stuff. In fact, I have an old beater flatboat with bare treated boards and bare aluminum bottom and no problems. But I also have an '06 G3 that originally had untreated boards that rotted out a few years ago. I replaced them with treated boards and re-used the original carpet. So after finding out about this issue, I jacked my boat off the trailer, and sure enough, I had corrosion just starting in a couple of places. From what I can tell, it will only affect bare aluminum. I have scratches to bare aluminum in other places with no corrosion, and where the paint is still in tact under the boards (most all of it), there's no issue. So the problem is just with treated boards (in the last ten years?), on bare aluminum. Carpet doesn't provide a sufficient barrier from the chemicals in the wood. Since my G3 is dark red, and I already knew of Glyptal being a really durable coating (red electrical winding coating), I painted the bottom of the boat the entire length of each bunk board with it. I also had a quart of black flex seal I rolled on the black carpeted boards. I don't think the flex seal is doing anything. But the Glyptal shows no sign of deterioration.

I've also heard of people's aluminum window frame wrapping on their homes being eaten out by the treated wood too. Again, my house is almost 20 years old, and I have no issue. So it goes back to the newer treated wood.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:34 pm to
i been using treated lumber from home depot for 30 years with no issues at all, i even had one boat sitting on the bare wood and no issues.

they had some boats made with really cheap low grade aluminum and they blamed it on treated lumber but it was shady manufacturing.

there was indeed issues with the much older commercial grade treated lumber with cancer causing chemicals that caused issues some 30 years ago but that wasnt the retail lumber stuff
Posted by Tiger-Striped-Bass
The Bay Area
Member since Dec 2004
1270 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:49 pm to
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First pic is a small spot of corrosion where it sits on that board. The size and degree point to how recent it began-when I put new boards a couple years earlier. I'm sure it wasn't there with the non-treated original boards. I had other spots of the same maturity. Note there's no issue where the paint is in tact.

The second pic is of scratches where there are no boards - no corrosion. If it was the quality of the aluminum, there would be corrosion there too after 12 years of exposure. Take it from someone with direct experience- protect your boat from the treated wood currently being sold. Mine came from Lowes. It's far too widespread to be coincidence and anything but the chemicals in that wood. They also sell caps that go over boards, that came out just for this reason. Anyone who says differently is misinformed or ignorant.

Just for the record, anytime I take it in saltwater, without exception, I stop and launch it in freshwater on the way home so everything that was put in saltwater, is thoroughly rinsed/flushed.
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 4:08 pm
Posted by Tiger-Striped-Bass
The Bay Area
Member since Dec 2004
1270 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 4:02 pm to
Just to remove all doubt (not related to boats, but applicable):

quote:

ACQ and Aluminum Don’t Mix As the industry phases out wood pressure-treated with chromated copper arsenate (CCA), keep in mind that the high level of copper in the alternatives reacts with aluminum, causing corrosion.
. Pro-builder

epidemic

quote:

The two most common replacements for CCA — alkaline copper quaternary (ACQ) and copper azole (CA) — contain two or three times as much copper, in a chemically more active form. When aluminum flashing contacts this copper-laden lumber, the aluminum quickly corrodes. For the majority of decks, which are framed with pressure-treated lumber, aluminum flashing just isn’t an option anymore.
Deckbuilder

Search for it. It's factual

CCA was phased out starting in 2003. So the problems started after that





This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 4:09 pm
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

Mine came from Lowes.


Lowes lumber is treated with copper azole which is not rated for contact with aluminum. Home depot lumber generally uses micronized copper azole which is rated for contact with aluminum. I don't think it is recommended for contact with constant moisture, though.

LINK
quote:

Wood pressure-treated with Micronized Copper Azole has corrosion rates on metal products similar to untreated wood. Use fasteners and hardware that are in compliance with the manufacturer’s recommendations and the building codes for their intended use. Aluminum building products may be placed in direct contact with wood pressure-treated with Micronized Copper Azole used for interior applications and above ground exterior applications.


My transom is built out of home depot treated wood out of my own ignorance. I had no idea about the aluminum corrosion thing since it is my first boat. I bought the boat for 100 bucks so I didn't bother changing it, if it lasts a couple of years i'm fine with it. My bunk boards are treated with micronized copper azole with PVC on top. I'm actually replacing them with untreated and carpet this weekend since the PVC is damaging the rivets.
Posted by GATORGAR247
Member since Aug 2017
994 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 5:10 pm to
I'm pretty sure there was a thread on this not to long ago.. supposedly the carpet holds and concentrates the salt. Salt water eventually dries and leaves the salt behind. Repeats everytime you launch. Coupled with being wet longer it corrodes the bare or scratched aluminum.
Posted by bootlegger
Ponchatoula
Member since Dec 2012
5460 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 5:58 pm to
Posted by farad
Member since Dec 2013
11445 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 6:47 pm to
You'll notice at the bottom of that thread I had just replaced my bunks with PT wood two weeks before that...I went out the next weekend and replaced them with non-treated wood...
Posted by TigerFanatic1
Monroe, LA
Member since Aug 2007
2115 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 8:53 pm to
quote:

Anybody have composite bunk boards? Seems like a natural solution Ultimate Bunk Boards


When I had a boat, I used these for about 3 years. They are really great for shallow landings, because they are slick. I wouldn't unsecure the boat until it was partially in the water and they are too slick to walk on. If I still had a boat, this is what I would use.
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