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Restrictions on Non-Resident Waterfowlers
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:07 am
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:07 am
I've got a group of duck hunting buddies in the KC area and we normally schedule a 4-day KS hunt over in Cheyenne Bottoms. When there is water and ducks, it's a great place and we've always met friendly people around Hoisington and Great Bend.
KDWP is now proposing a new Kansas Administrative Regulation (KAR) under the 115-8 series:
- Non-residents waterfowl hunting on KDWP department lands and waters shall be restricted to Sundays, Mondays, and Tuesdays throughout the duration of the established Kansas waterfowl seasons, including September Teal season. (Non-residents would not be allowed to hunt waterfowl on department lands and waters Wednesday through Saturday. This includes WIHA and iWIHA properties.
- KDWP also plans to request that the Kansas Legislature amend KSA 32-939 (Waterfowl habitat stamp) and KSA 32-988 (Fees) to establish a non-resident Migratory Waterfowl Habitat Stamp and at a higher fee than a resident stamp.
Non-Resident Hunting Challenges
The above article above also discusses how the draw system can be applied to NR waterfowlers.
I really enjoy traveling to duck hunt, but as an NR, these states can hit me with whatever fees and restrictions that they deem fit. Supreme Court already decided on it in Baldwin v. Fish & Game Commission of Montana (May 1978). Doesn't matter if I'm traveling to hunt deer, turkey, elk, or migrating waterfowl.
KDWP is now proposing a new Kansas Administrative Regulation (KAR) under the 115-8 series:
- Non-residents waterfowl hunting on KDWP department lands and waters shall be restricted to Sundays, Mondays, and Tuesdays throughout the duration of the established Kansas waterfowl seasons, including September Teal season. (Non-residents would not be allowed to hunt waterfowl on department lands and waters Wednesday through Saturday. This includes WIHA and iWIHA properties.
- KDWP also plans to request that the Kansas Legislature amend KSA 32-939 (Waterfowl habitat stamp) and KSA 32-988 (Fees) to establish a non-resident Migratory Waterfowl Habitat Stamp and at a higher fee than a resident stamp.
Non-Resident Hunting Challenges
The above article above also discusses how the draw system can be applied to NR waterfowlers.
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In Manitoba, we reported earlier it will now be harder for Americans to hunt in that province, where vast numbers of ducks and geese breed, stage, and migrate. U.S. hunters now need to purchase a foreign migratory game bird license either through the drawing process or through a licensed outfitter.
Something similar has been happening for years in South Dakota, where the debate has simmered for decades in a state that limits NR duck and goose hunters.
I really enjoy traveling to duck hunt, but as an NR, these states can hit me with whatever fees and restrictions that they deem fit. Supreme Court already decided on it in Baldwin v. Fish & Game Commission of Montana (May 1978). Doesn't matter if I'm traveling to hunt deer, turkey, elk, or migrating waterfowl.
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:11 am to Stuttgart Tiger
How much do you travel to hunt? States have been doing this for a long time. Buy a non-resident Mississippi hunting license and report back
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:11 am to Stuttgart Tiger
Resi must be tired of OOSER bullshite.
I bet there’s an exception for outfits though.
I bet there’s an exception for outfits though.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:13 am to White Bear
quote:Yes, yes they are and the numbers keep going up. I look for Okie, ND, SD and maybe even Mo to do the same thing. Heck Ark does it a little.
Resi must be tired of OOSER bullshite.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:25 am to Stuttgart Tiger
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Stuttgart Tiger
Arkansas did this already to OOSers
I think half the boat ramps in Oklahoma and Kansas are Louisiana plates
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 10:26 am
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:37 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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How much do you travel to hunt?
Every damn year. I live in SW Missouri, so I have to travel to waterfowl hunt, even if it's in state. Then, I like travel to Arkansas and Kansas each season.
States always impose higher fees or special permits on NRs but these are also tourism dollars for these communities and businesses. What strikes me is when states get serious enough to go chopping off significant parts of this revenue stream.
I'm not going to Great Bend, KS to spend 4 nights/5 days for summer vacation. If ya did, just wait till the wind shifts back across the stock yard and the kill plant.
Some states, like Arkansas and SD, have imposed restrictions and seem to have met their balancing point. SD decided they'd rather be more closed off to NRs.
Other states, like Kansas, are just beginning and haven't decided where they'll balance out.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:57 am to Stuttgart Tiger
I can see their side of it. If we had a good place to
Hunt in Louisiana and I had to compete with some flatbill alpaca from OOS with daddy’s gator tail running all over the place all day and breasting ducks and throwing them in the parking lot, leaving trash everywhere, and flooding to the local gas station to take a picture at pump 7 for Instagram likes I would probably be for some restrictions of said people
We have all that now in Louisiana, but they are from in state
Hunt in Louisiana and I had to compete with some flatbill alpaca from OOS with daddy’s gator tail running all over the place all day and breasting ducks and throwing them in the parking lot, leaving trash everywhere, and flooding to the local gas station to take a picture at pump 7 for Instagram likes I would probably be for some restrictions of said people
We have all that now in Louisiana, but they are from in state
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:19 am to Ron Cheramie
Well said RC, well said…
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:20 am to Ron Cheramie
Yeah, I'm torn. I lived in Stuttgart, AR for almost 15 years and was there when AGF started looking at potential restrictions.
Can I adjust my schedule to hunt Kansas from Sun - Tues., sure not a problem. But I can't do this more than once a year. Not gonna rent a house and plan multiple trips. Not gonna look for a club to join that utilizes their WMAs.
Encouraging the economic impact that is available to rural communities in a state, while also protecting the opportunities for your resident hunters is a fine line.
Yeah, every state has these assholes. We'd see them in Stuttgart.
I travel everywhere I hunt. First, because I'm a duck hunter who lives in SWMO. Second, because I'm not a bow hunter and Missouri has no deer clubs to mention. Damn gun season only last 10 consecutive days with most of these falling during the week.
Regardless of where I go, I always leave it better than I found it. Everyone here was very likely raised the same way and is/has raised their children the same way.
Can I adjust my schedule to hunt Kansas from Sun - Tues., sure not a problem. But I can't do this more than once a year. Not gonna rent a house and plan multiple trips. Not gonna look for a club to join that utilizes their WMAs.
Encouraging the economic impact that is available to rural communities in a state, while also protecting the opportunities for your resident hunters is a fine line.
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running all over the place all day and breasting ducks and throwing them in the parking lot, leaving trash everywhere, and flooding to the local gas station to take a picture at pump 7 for Instagram
Yeah, every state has these assholes. We'd see them in Stuttgart.
I travel everywhere I hunt. First, because I'm a duck hunter who lives in SWMO. Second, because I'm not a bow hunter and Missouri has no deer clubs to mention. Damn gun season only last 10 consecutive days with most of these falling during the week.
Regardless of where I go, I always leave it better than I found it. Everyone here was very likely raised the same way and is/has raised their children the same way.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 11:32 am
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:47 pm to Ron Cheramie
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I can see their side of it. If we had a good place to
Hunt in Louisiana and I had to compete with some flatbill alpaca from OOS with daddy’s gator tail running all over the place all day and breasting ducks and throwing them in the parking lot, leaving trash everywhere, and flooding to the local gas station to take a picture at pump 7 for Instagram likes I would probably be for some restrictions of said people
We have all that now in Louisiana, but they are from in state
As a buddy of mine from Oklahoma has said "around here we didn't have beer cans all over the side of the road and at the launches until the cajuns started showing up" yeah I know despite only a small % of La folks actually being cajun the label fits everyone.
I've heard similar comments from folks in SD and ND as well comparing our littering practices to those of the local Sioux.
At a boat launch in OK and KS 5 years ago, I was amazed at how little trash there was at the launch... compare it to ANY launch here.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:57 pm to choupiquesushi
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"around here we didn't have beer cans all over the side of the road and at the launches until the cajuns started showing up"
That's a shame. I've not lived in Louisiana since I went out of state for college back in 1988, but I'm still proud to be native Louisianian. Sad that this reputation is out there in the hunting public.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:01 pm to Stuttgart Tiger
quote:it is very well deserved too
That's a shame. I've not lived in Louisiana since I went out of state for college back in 1988, but I'm still proud to be native Louisianian. Sad that this reputation is out there in the hunting public.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:28 pm to choupiquesushi
Maybe if enough coonasses keep going north to hunt, those states will take down the nets and ban hot cropping so we’d have birds down here to shoot instead of having to travel
Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:33 pm to Tiger Prawn
quote:Need the I49 Inner-City Connector complete through Port City to get them outchea. We can call it the Cajun Turnpike.
Maybe if enough coonasses keep going north to hunt, those states will take down the nets and ban hot cropping so we’d have birds down here to shoot instead of having to travel
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