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re: Standing water under raised house

Posted on 3/22/18 at 4:43 pm to
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 3/22/18 at 4:43 pm to
And you claim to be an engineer? Joking I know your not civil
Posted by Pepperidge
Slidell
Member since Apr 2011
4362 posts
Posted on 3/22/18 at 5:48 pm to
We purchased a house that had huge trenches dug under it for the pier foundations that would fill with water.

And due to the underside being slightly lower than the yard we had 20+ 18 yard loads of sand pumped under the house...cost just over $5000 to do it and that was back in 2003...I can't imagine what that would cost now.
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 3/22/18 at 8:03 pm to
On the guest house I am building, I could just kill my dog. That SOB dug a couple low spots under. Good thing is, The house has a 24" clearance. I have to install another 8"x8"x12' beam under were I had installed the kitchen Island for just insurance. That dam thing weights in well over 700lbs. I have the wood stove not far from it. The two together is a shite load of weight. I have the beam and the concrete footings and peirs, so for insurance, why not.

Posted by Cajun367
S. Louisiana
Member since Oct 2017
1943 posts
Posted on 3/22/18 at 9:25 pm to
Need to pour a slab.

But DO NOT forget the visqueen. Concrete will sweat so much it'll be like a lake.

Posted by lake2280
Public intellectual
Member since Nov 2012
4356 posts
Posted on 3/22/18 at 10:24 pm to
You might could put in a flow well system. You have a pic we could look at to see if you have room?
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21732 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 6:10 am to
Got a similar issue but not trying to sell; currently have to live with it.

I had someone who installed a lot of vents, and that seemed to help out a good bit. It HAD been closed up, except for the entry to the crawlspace.

I've got another problem that I would be interested in hearing... my lot is still staying pretty wet (and the backyard in particular). I've heard people mention regrading/raising the lot with sand or similar, but what do you do with UNDER the house? Wouldn't that drive more water under it?

Posted by ChenierauTigre
Dreamland
Member since Dec 2007
34642 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 6:11 am to
How about getting a load of sand, taking up a couple of deck boards at a time, shovel in sand to fill, replace deck boards. I would start closest to the house and work my way to the edges.
Posted by ynlvr
Rocket City
Member since Feb 2009
5034 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 7:55 am to
quote:

-install a drain from under the house to a low spot somewhere nearby (usually there is a low 'trench' between lots in the older areas of BR). This can be as simple as a plastic 4" perforated, corrugated drain pipe that you trench away from the house.

I did this for same problem. Found the low spot and took it out.
Posted by 4WHLN
Drinking at the Cottage Inn
Member since Mar 2013
7609 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:03 am to
quote:

I've got another problem that I would be interested in hearing... my lot is still staying pretty wet (and the backyard in particular). I've heard people mention regrading/raising the lot with sand or similar, but what do you do with UNDER the house? Wouldn't that drive more water under it?

Sloping or regrading the yard is a start. But you have to get the water under and around the house out. If your yard is higher than whats under the house you will hold water. Installing gutters and french drains around the house to funnel water away is a huge start and often times solves the issue. If not, then fill needs to be spread under the house and "turtle backed" to the edges. If you have a chain wall foundation closing off the underside, then make sure you have proper flow vents needed for cross ventilation.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34702 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:12 am to
quote:

good advice. also call Norm Ryan. LINK

He's the man


Is that something Norm would do? I know he's the man when it comes to moisture intrusion, but confined leveling seems like an entirely different animal.

I had a moisture issue at my old house and talked to 4 contractors who were absolutely clueless to the problem. The problem was actually obvious to me, but I didn't have the equipment to fix it. I didn't want to hire a contractor that didn't understand the root cause, though. I finally talked to Norm and he basically finished my sentence for me.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34702 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:20 am to
quote:

Do you have a picture of the plastic tray or could you explain how it looks or how it was built. I have a load of top soil to put under a shed that is about 2 1/2' off the ground.


You're looking for a drywall mud pan. People use them for mixing drywall compound, concrete, etc.

Lowes has one that would be perfect for your needs.



Click the pic...
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 8:21 am
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
23358 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:29 am to
quote:

Is that something Norm would do? I know he's the man when it comes to moisture intrusion, but confined leveling seems like an entirely different animal.


He's a general contractor, so I assume he can sub that out.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22364 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:12 am to
My parents have a liner pool in which they've set up a well point with a float switch in a box. Whenever the water in the ground floats that switch, it kicks the pump on which has about a dozen points in the ground around the pool it sucks water out of.

The pool is more complicated, but I don't know why you couldn't set something like this up under a house. It's just a sprinkler system pump and you could just put the well points 2-3 feet in the ground in the low spots. Then run the pump line out to the back of your yard.

Fill dirt would fix the visible water, but it still may hold water in the soil. Which termites love wet ground.

Not that it would be th OP's issue at that point.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 9:14 am
Posted by Chuker
St George, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2015
7544 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:33 am to
quote:

18 yard loads of sand pumped under the house



I see a lot of people suggesting sand but you actually had it done. I've heard that putting sand under your house makes it a haven for bugs/fleas. I don't really believe this but don't have any experience to dispute it. Sure is a lot easier to move and spread sand under a house than dirt.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 9:34 am
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21732 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:31 pm to
quote:

I've got another problem that I would be interested in hearing... my lot is still staying pretty wet (and the backyard in particular). I've heard people mention regrading/raising the lot with sand or similar, but what do you do with UNDER the house? Wouldn't that drive more water under it?

Sloping or regrading the yard is a start. But you have to get the water under and around the house out. If your yard is higher than whats under the house you will hold water. Installing gutters and french drains around the house to funnel water away is a huge start and often times solves the issue. If not, then fill needs to be spread under the house and "turtle backed" to the edges. If you have a chain wall foundation closing off the underside, then make sure you have proper flow vents needed for cross ventilation.

Thanks for the reply. I recently had the house leveled, and the contractor did add some vents to aide in drying underneath.

Looks like my problem is my yard is a little lower than the neighbor's, and my back yard catches the runoff. It's been bad since the winter, it seems like with any significant rain I get standing water back there, that comes up to the house (and is beginning to give me problems at one spot, that is on a slab (was a closed-in garage, at ground level, below the rest of the house which is up on piers). Seems like if I were to add dirt to the yard to raise things, that would address the runoff... but I suppose I need to raise the level under the house too, so it doesn't create a lake under the house.

Gotta figure out a way to drain the backyard, toying with running a small ditch out to the drainage ditch at the road, would have to snake around a bit.
Posted by Pepperidge
Slidell
Member since Apr 2011
4362 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

I've heard that putting sand under your house makes it a haven for bugs/fleas.


Well four of us spent the last two weekends removing 3300 sq ft of pink fiberglass from the underside to switch to closed cell spray foam (which was installed yesterday) because the fiberglass was falling down...

no one got bit by fleas or other insects
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 11:02 pm
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 3/24/18 at 7:04 am to
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Well four of us spent the last two weekends removing 3300 sq ft of pink fiberglass from the underside to switch to closed cell spray foam (which was installed yesterday) because the fiberglass was falling down...


Who did the spray job? Do they charge by the SQ foot?
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21732 posts
Posted on 3/24/18 at 11:03 am to
quote:

quote:
I've heard that putting sand under your house makes it a haven for bugs/fleas.


Well four of us spent the last two weekends removing 3300 sq ft of pink fiberglass from the underside to switch to closed cell spray foam (which was installed yesterday) because the fiberglass was falling down...

no one got bit by fleas or other insects
What I've heard is that usually, the sand is river sand or something like that, and a truckload will come complete with an infestation of fleas etc. I would guess, offhand, that if you had it treated/sprayed down with the right pesticides, you don't run into that problem later.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
24725 posts
Posted on 3/24/18 at 2:18 pm to
Just curious how many yards of dirt are needed?
Posted by Nomex0619
BR
Member since Dec 2016
225 posts
Posted on 3/25/18 at 12:52 am to
First thing that came to mind was to prevent anymore water from being allowed underneath. Build a border around the house that will not allow water to get under the house.

If ur crawl space is that low to the ground it is very bad to have moisture, much less standing water under ur house.
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