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tidbit on red wolves
Posted on 12/8/18 at 6:21 am
Posted on 12/8/18 at 6:21 am
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Posted on 12/8/18 at 6:27 am to Ron Cheramie
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Since 1980, all large canids in southwestern Louisiana have been presumed to be coyotes, because red wolves were declared functionally extinct in the wild; however, multiple red wolves and hybrids with high red wolf ancestry clearly persisted in the area after concerted red wolf removal efforts concluded. To prevent further reductions of the remnant wild red wolf gene pool in southwestern Louisiana, we suggest that managers consider suspending coyote control efforts (e.g., Leblanc et al., 2016) until additional studies are conducted to improve our understanding of canid genetics, hybridization, and taxonomy in this area.
Neat
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 6:28 am
Posted on 12/8/18 at 6:46 am to Ron Cheramie
Ours in North iberville are sometimes spotted with Rottweiler like markings because of a very prolific male.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 6:55 am to Ron Cheramie
Species hybridization is natural selection at it's finest, not sure we should be interfering in this one.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:07 am to cave canem
almost suggests there were a few purebred wolves that survived for quite some time in SW la
if they were completely extirpated 40 or 50 years ago the genes would still be there in coyotes but not near that high of a percentage like they are finding in some
I agree about leaving them alone though no sense trying to raise purebred wolves and release them into the wild if they are just going to mate with coyotes hell, they are dogs that's what dogs do
if they were completely extirpated 40 or 50 years ago the genes would still be there in coyotes but not near that high of a percentage like they are finding in some
I agree about leaving them alone though no sense trying to raise purebred wolves and release them into the wild if they are just going to mate with coyotes hell, they are dogs that's what dogs do
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 7:10 am
Posted on 12/8/18 at 9:19 am to Ron Cheramie
A friend of mine in Wisconsin owns some acreage about an hour north of Green Bay.
He's told me stories of being stalked by wolves walking out of the deer stand. Not fun.
He's told me stories of being stalked by wolves walking out of the deer stand. Not fun.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 10:05 am to bamarep
Stalked by wolves? if they had wanted to attack him, they would have
Posted on 12/8/18 at 10:28 am to ecb
He thinks they're just more curious than anything. As many deer as his place has there's no damn way they're hungry.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 10:45 am to Ron Cheramie
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almost suggests there were a few purebred wolves that survived for quite some time in SW la
Long ago, I did my M.S. research on Brook trout genetics.
Even with extensive hybridization, genes are generally held in a heretozygous condition. Depending on gene frequencies in the population, there will always be a chance that a mating between heretozygous individuals will result in a "pure bread" individual. But once the genes are mixed, it's very, very unlikely that they will unmix.
A lot depends on what markers they are looking at and what genes are specific to each species (or race/subspecies as the case may be).
The reintroduced red wolves in Eastern NC showed similar results in the 1990's.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 10:47 am
Posted on 12/8/18 at 12:37 pm to Lonnie Utah
Who’s the dumb arse who downvoted solid responses to the OP. Maybe someone with PETA???
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 12/8/18 at 1:02 pm to bamarep
I was in a stand one day, slow day, napping more than hunting. Got down from the stand after dark, and a damn pack of yotes all around me just went crazy.
Pretty sure I jumped to the top of the ladder stand. Took me a few minutes to climb back down.
Pretty sure I jumped to the top of the ladder stand. Took me a few minutes to climb back down.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 5:05 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Long ago, I did my M.S. research on Brook trout genetics.
Not saying "pure bread" you didn't. Lmao!
Red wolves and the controversy around them has always been interesting to me. Were they a seperate species? Were they a hybrid? Is it worth trying to bring them back if they hybridized so readily with coyotes?
There are more coyotes today than there were when the red wolf disappeared from the Gulf Coast landscape. No way you could restore them now. Nor would they be accepted around here.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 6:02 pm to Ron Cheramie
Maybe our coyotes inter bred a looong time ago...
The last vestige of the red wolf was right where the coyote boom began
The last vestige of the red wolf was right where the coyote boom began
Posted on 12/8/18 at 6:05 pm to Cowboyfan89
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quote: ? There are more coyotes today than there were when the red wolf disappeared from the Gulf Coast landscape. No way you could restore them now. Nor would they be accepted around here.
What if the packs preyed on piglets
Posted on 12/8/18 at 10:40 pm to choupiquesushi
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What if the packs preyed on piglets
Still wouldn't make much of a difference. For one, I doubt they would have any significant impact. We have coyotes already, and they don't do much against hogs. And it's more about what wolves provoke in the minds of people, especially people with animals. There is already serious apprehension and prejudice towards coyotes in this state. Hell, look at the mindset towards bears and cougars.
There is no doubt in my mind that people would fight tooth and nail to keep wolves out of the state. The only way we ever see a full-blooded wolf in this state again is if the government brings them in without telling anyone, or one walks across the state line on it's own.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 10:53 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Still wouldn't make much of a difference. For one, I doubt they would have any significant impact. We have coyotes already, and they don't do much against hogs. And it's more about what wolves provoke in the minds of people, especially people with animals. There is already serious apprehension and prejudice towards coyotes in this state. Hell, look at the mindset towards bears and cougars.
There is no doubt in my mind that people would fight tooth and nail to keep wolves out of the state. The only way we ever see a full-blooded wolf in this state again is if the government brings them in without telling anyone, or one walks across the state line on it's own.
do you live in a neighborhood?
Posted on 12/9/18 at 6:15 am to cave canem
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do you live in a neighborhood?
No, but I did when I was growing up. Not sure what difference that makes.
Posted on 12/9/18 at 8:38 am to Cowboyfan89
Cowboy fan wolves hunt in packs take down larger prey - coyotes generally survive on significantly smaller prey and hunt alone except when raising a litter or in rare cases
Posted on 12/9/18 at 12:27 pm to choupiquesushi
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Cowboy fan wolves hunt in packs take down larger prey - coyotes generally survive on significantly smaller prey and hunt alone except when raising a litter or in rare cases
Red wolves don't hunt the same as grey wolves. They are actually more similar to coyotes in the way they hunt, and studies in North Carolina have shown that their dietary composition is similar to coyotes.
There is no way enough wolves could be introduced to even control hogs, let alone reduce their population.
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