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Why are all good ATV brands Japanese?

Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:37 am
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:37 am
Never understood this. Only US brands I know of are Arctic Cat and Polaris and they both suck arse.

You’d think we would have one quality brand made in the good ol US of A with the high demand in this country for off reading and hunting.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
26866 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:39 am to
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Only US brands I know of are Arctic Cat and Polaris and they both suck arse.



Why do you say Polaris "sucks arse"?

do you consider Can Am to "suck arse" even though it's Canadian and not American?
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
96465 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:41 am to
Can Am is solid but it’s canadian.

Polaris are pieces of shite. Least the 2 I owned in the past were. Did not come close to the 2 Yamahas and one Honda I had
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17847 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:44 am to
The japanese have always made good vroom vroom shite. Their culture takes pride in craftsmanship and attention to detail.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:46 am to
i have a honda foreman that is fugged right now only due to the oil drain plug/pan stripped
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
96465 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:47 am to
It’s funny how diversified Japanese companies are too. Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha etc all have combinations of motorcycles, atvs, outboards, boats, and sometimes even cars especially Honda.

American companies never branched out like that. You don’t have Harley Davidson atvs or General Motors outboards. Kind of odd if you think about it
Posted by Bedhog
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2019
3741 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:51 am to
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i have a honda foreman that is fugged right now only due to the oil drain plug/pan stripped


very common and there's a quick fix for that
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
96465 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:56 am to
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have a honda foreman that is fugged right now only due to the oil drain plug/pan stripped


Just rethread it it’s not hard and buy a new plug
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17847 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:56 am to
Ole Yoshi would have never crossthreaded it

You never could get it drilled out and tapped?
Posted by Bedhog
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2019
3741 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:57 am to
look into TimeSert
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
12019 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:07 pm to
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Honda
Honda's competitive advantage has always been engine performance. They dominated small engines, which is why you see them have a presence throughout the ATV market. Motorcycles, ATVs, dirt bikes, boats, pressure washers, lawn mowers, etc, etc, etc all have something in common... a core competency in engines.
Honda then just applied that to cars, which are also primarily desirable due to high quality engines.

Suzuki & Yamaha are just competitors within that space, mostly due to proximity. This is not atypical in industry. There are numerous examples of global industries being concentrated in a specific region: Luxury cars in Italy, Performance cars in Germany, European watch manufacturers, American Trucks/muscle cars, Japanese forged golf irons, Italian purses, etc.

Specialization and reputation somewhat drive the self-fulfilling prophecy.
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15479 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:49 pm to
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i have a honda foreman that is fugged right now only due to the oil drain plug/pan stripped


Did you ever determine if this was the problem?

Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
25942 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:53 pm to
Not much different from the motorcycle market. Japanese mass produced motorcycles have been market leaders for a very long time.
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
17038 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 1:14 pm to
You still never got that shite fixed?
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
171516 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 1:30 pm to
Haven’t really messed w it yet and I’m not mechanically inclined neither
Posted by ZouKeeper314
Missouri
Member since Jun 2012
2228 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 2:40 pm to
Tracker (Bass Pro) makes ATVs and side by sides now. I wonder if those are any good
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
28682 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 3:28 pm to
You don't need to be mechanically inclined to tap aluminum and put a copper insert in.


As for why American brands struggled, electronics. We can build great engines here. We can built great bearings. But, much like the Germans, or electrical engineering always seems lacking when applied offroad.

As the japanese brands push more and more component production outside of Malaysia and Japan, they are inviting more and more issues.

The brands that aren't, Suzuki, Kawasaki, anf Yamaha, all hold tiny percentages in market share.
This post was edited on 8/27/19 at 3:33 pm
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
21030 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:05 pm to
I have a 05 Polaris Sportsman 700 Twin EFI an my only beef has been having to replace the entire axle assemblies all around but twice on the rear. The CVs would start clicking and then eventually crap out and fall apart.
I’d go Honda in the future.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
28682 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:31 pm to
The later model 800s were polaris' 300 honda. They were too well made.

And that is why they aren't made.
Posted by Barneyrb
NELA
Member since May 2016
6091 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:36 pm to
I'm still running a 1999 Polaris 500 Magnum and a 2009 Polaris 700XP Ranger. Neither fail to start, use any oil, and are 100% dependable.

Magnum has been running 27" Vampires all it life and the Ranger is running 28" Zilla's.
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