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Are the Netherlands considered a socialist country?
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:15 am
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:15 am
A good buddy of mine is married to a woman from the Netherlands and she is really cool for the most part. I like talking to her about all kinds of topics because it’s cool to hear a Europeans opinion on different issues. Anyway whenever socialism gets brought up she thinks it’s great and points to her country as an example of it working. My question is are the Netherlands considered a true socialist country? I’m interested to hear from some folks that know more about this than I do. Thanks
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Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:18 am to Bayou nights
A trans woman was just crowned the winner of Miss Netherlands for the first time so make sure your buddy takes a real hard look before the lights go off.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:21 am to Erdace
Haha, I saw that and I made sure to give her a hard time about it, she’s definitely not on board with that sort of stuff.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:29 am to Bayou nights
No.
The only socialist places on the planet are probably Venezuela and North Korea. Every other place is a mix of market and collective policies. Maybe there are frick-off African states that do other shite, but I don't know or care.
The only socialist places on the planet are probably Venezuela and North Korea. Every other place is a mix of market and collective policies. Maybe there are frick-off African states that do other shite, but I don't know or care.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 12:33 am
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:36 am to Bayou nights
It would be considered a social democracy rather than a socialist state.
Generally speaking their country is to the left of Obama and Biden and to the right of Bernie.
The middle class tax rates are much higher than US middle class tax rates and the high end is higher than ours, but not by as wide of a margin.
Generally speaking their country is to the left of Obama and Biden and to the right of Bernie.
The middle class tax rates are much higher than US middle class tax rates and the high end is higher than ours, but not by as wide of a margin.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:38 am to Bayou nights
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Anyway whenever socialism gets brought up she thinks it’s great and points to her country as an example of it working.
The lefts go to with their socialism narrative. Netherlands has like 15 million people and pretty much all the same ethic groups that don't mine doing a little work. Wink Wink. Now do America which has over 330 million people of all types some that work and alot that would rather do nothing and become leeches. Guess what our government caters alot to those leeches. Not even close to compare socialism in Netherlands to how it would work in America.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 12:41 am
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:44 am to FLBooGoTigs1
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Netherlands has like 3 million people and pretty much all the same ethic groups that don't mine doing a little work.
Their population is significantly higher and they have a lot of problems with migrant/refugee populations - just as most of the prosperous parts of Europe do. To your credit, the systems that had been working fairly well for a while have been under tremendous pressure because of the addition of (in the case of NL) Moroccans, and I suppose "Syrians".
Our collective problems in the West are not so dissimilar. I think it behooves us to look at our shared difficulties and learn from them rather than deriding each other for minor differences that, ultimately, matter less than what we share.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:58 am to FLBooGoTigs1
It wouldn't work
But that won't stop them from trying, and shite would get rough real quick
But that won't stop them from trying, and shite would get rough real quick
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:58 am to HempHead
Lol i googled an changed it. In the big scope the same premise applies. 15 million compared to 330 million isn't even close.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 1:05 am to FLBooGoTigs1
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Lol i googled an changed it. In the big scope the same premise applies. 15 million compared to 330 million isn't even close.
I tend to think that what works, works. You just have to identify the factors that allow it to work in the first place.
I will reiterate that what we share is much more important than what we don't.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 1:37 am to HempHead
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Maybe there are frick-off African states that do other shite,
Kill each other on a daily basis, until China finds something they can get out of it.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 3:45 am to Bayou nights
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Haha, I saw that and I made sure to give her a hard time about it, she’s definitely not on board with that sort of stuff.
Then she doesn’t understand progressive socialism. She’s had a milquetoast version her whole life. The best part of this LGBTQ movement is it takes a massive set of training wheels off this progressive socialist end game, which is love is love. They are coming for your kids.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 6:04 am to Bayou nights
No. The government doesn't own the means of production.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 6:20 am to HempHead
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I tend to think that what works, works.
Ok, great, then free-market capitalism.
All the rest have been shown to suck arse or just completely fail.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 6:21 am to Bayou nights
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Anyway whenever socialism gets brought up she thinks it’s great and points to her country as an example of it working.
They’re not actually socialist though.
I wouldn’t want to live in their country with their government, but they’re not dyed in the wool socialist yet.
North Korea, Venezuela, etc are socialists and they’re fricking hellscapes.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 6:27 am to Bayou nights
Economically, the Dutch are pretty capitalistic. They are not allergic to a gilder, dollar or Euro. Pitifully they want some social programs that we in the US would thing wasteful.
Hell, the Dutch bankers and businessmen essentially created the modern economic system back in the 1600's.
Hell, the Dutch bankers and businessmen essentially created the modern economic system back in the 1600's.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 6:27 am to Bayou nights
Social democracy. I read once (I think during COVID) that the citizens of the Northern European countries generally score much higher in measures of trust in their government than other western democracies and especially in the US. It makes sense logically why they would be more open to some socialist concepts if they trust their own government to run them. I’m not sure how the US could ever generate that trust, even if the government suddenly became competent, efficient, etc. The distrust is ingrained.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 6:28 am
Posted on 7/25/23 at 6:31 am to Bayou nights
Went there 5 years ago… you talk about a clean, efficient, safe, and vibrant country.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 6:38 am to VolsOut4Harambe
Compared to the US, they are more socialist for sure. A true socialist country? Probably not. Denmark and the other Scandinavian countries may be more socialist that the Netherlands.
The big difference to me is that they are a much smaller country and one that was more homogenous than the US. The latter may be changing and that is going to stress their system greatly.
It's easier to make that kind of system work on a small scale when the overwhelming majority of the people have the same background, have a similar work ethic, and have the same cultural expectations.
Once people start realizing how easy it is to abuse the benefits of the system, it starts to falter.
The big difference to me is that they are a much smaller country and one that was more homogenous than the US. The latter may be changing and that is going to stress their system greatly.
It's easier to make that kind of system work on a small scale when the overwhelming majority of the people have the same background, have a similar work ethic, and have the same cultural expectations.
Once people start realizing how easy it is to abuse the benefits of the system, it starts to falter.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 6:40 am to HempHead
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Every other place is a mix of market and collective policies
Correct. And any flaw that pops up the left attributes it to capitalism when it is actually socialist intrusion into capitalism and crony capitalism.
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