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As I understand it, if a federal employee is promoted, they become probationary

Posted on 2/18/25 at 6:27 am
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
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Posted on 2/18/25 at 6:27 am
Which means they can be fired without running afoul of civil service protections.

Sounds like a lot of promotions are coming for some lucky federal employees.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
20424 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 6:28 am to
All for it promote and then fire let them have a new higher severence
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
14398 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 6:30 am to
Used to be on probation for a year when first hired. Not sure on the transfer or promotion issue.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
156269 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 6:35 am to
Exactly. I know people that took jobs at housing authorities and they were hired with 180 or something probation.

They hire people, use them to get through HUD inspections. Then some psycho supe fires them.

The most backwards POLITICAL shitshow IS HUD. A woman of color gets kickbacks for HVAC bids.

PROMOTE THEN FIRE THE NEXT DAY.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 6:39 am
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 2/18/25 at 6:37 am to
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Sounds like a lot of promotions are coming for some lucky federal employees.

So you want legitimate lawsuits coming in?
Posted by Zahrim
McCamey Texas
Member since Mar 2009
7856 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:12 am to
if they are promoted and than fired they have the right to go back to the job they had prior to the promotion.

this was posted a few days ago when someone laid out the whole GS process
Posted by MasterDigger
Member since Nov 2019
2329 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:23 am to
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if they are promoted and than fired they have the right to go back to the job they had prior to the promotion.
This

I think firing all of the probationary hires is to eliminate the outgoing administrations efforts to embed people into certain, decision making positions before Biden left office.
Some of these new promotees would have purposely slowed and disrupted any attempts to change their office priorities.



Posted by Amblin
Member since Sep 2011
2874 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:00 am to
Fire them all and restructure and hire back the good ones, do it fast or within the timeframe of their severance package. Only way to cut waste, they will not do it themselves.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:01 am to
If the job is similar to their previous job, previous service would typically nullify their probationary period.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
20445 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:10 am to
To a point.

But, if they aren't working out in their new position, they have rights to return to their previous position. If they refuse to return to it, they can be removed.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
23265 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:32 am to
I am 100% behind Trump with all the terminations. However, I do see a scenario where a great employee gets a promotion from good work, gets put on probation, and is fired by this mandate. I guess we take the good with the bad.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:59 am to
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
20378 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:01 am to
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Used to be on probation for a year when first hired. Not sure on the transfer or promotion issue.


It is on new hires that haven't completed their 1 year probationary period.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
22776 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:02 am to
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this was posted a few days ago when someone laid out the whole GS process

Burn it all down and have an HR policy for these people that is consistent with what 90% of Americans in private sector jobs have.

It’s asinine that it’s this hard.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
20462 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:03 am to
Read somewhere that almost all these probationary employees have 10-15 years of employment in the Federal Govt. Also that 64% have second jobs, 34% have full time second jobs.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
45914 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:12 am to
damn!!! - look at the interest in "treason" !!! = what the mfers beed doing!?!?!?!
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
107517 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 9:25 am to
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To a point.

But, if they aren't working out in their new position, they have rights to return to their previous position. If they refuse to return to it, they can be removed.


What if after the promotion the previous position is eliminated?
Posted by The Cow Goes Moo Moo
Bucktown
Member since Nov 2012
3663 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 9:26 am to
If you're promoted or transfer to a new position, there's a one year probationary period.
Posted by AllbyMyRelf
Virginia
Member since Nov 2014
3710 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 9:36 am to
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Which means they can be fired without running afoul of civil service protections. Sounds like a lot of promotions are coming for some lucky federal employees.
I don’t think this is right. When I worked for the government, my probation period was 2 years. After that, I would get “tenure” and never have to do the probationary period again—even if I left the federal workforce and then came back.

I ended up leaving with only 1 week until my tenure. Didn’t care or try to delay my new job start date because I knew I’d never work for the government again.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
14013 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 9:47 am to
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When I worked for the government, my probation period was 2 years. After that, I would get “tenure” and never have to do the probationary period again—even if I left the federal workforce and then came back.


2 year probationary employees are usually excepted service or hired under a unique CFR.

1 year probationary period are the most common for competitive service.

You can have tenure and lose it temporarily (i.e. revert back to probabtionary fir one year). Usually happens with supervisor roles or Direct hiring authority.
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