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re: CNN – It’s a Conspiracy Theory to Say That America is a Republic and Not a Democracy
Posted on 6/15/24 at 4:45 pm to BCreed1
Posted on 6/15/24 at 4:45 pm to BCreed1
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Thus Russia votes but is not a democracy.
The logical flaw is that the totalitarian nature of how their authoritarian system works is that nobody actually votes. The tabulation is all made up by the dictator.
Same as China, North Korea, etc.
That's why they're not democracies, even though they have (fake) "elections"
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Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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quote: We are a republic numb nuts.
We are a republic and a democracy
Again, do people vote to participate in our political system? yes or no?
Voting to participate in the political system is not a determining factor, nor does it distinguish between a Democracy and a Republic.
In a Democracy, eligible citizens fully dictate how they’re governed — everyone who’s eligible votes on proposed laws and regulations, and the majority wins. The minority doesn’t have power or protection from the majority because there’s not a charter or constitution protecting individual rights. Consequently, the majority has absolute power and can impose its will on the minority.
In a Republic, eligible citizens vote and dictate how they’re governed, but instead of directly voting on proposed laws and regulations, they vote for representatives who then “represent” their constituents in a governing body. A charter or constitution limits the majority’s will and protects individual rights — a supreme law of the land protecting individual rights, which the majority can’t vote to take away.
A Representative Democracy is like a Republic in that you vote for representatives who then represent your will in a legislative body. However, the critical difference between a democracy and a republic is that a republic has a written law that protects the fundamental rights of the minority.
Your case is dismissed, counselor.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That makes us a democracy.
That makes you a proud, surviving waterhead baby.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:10 pm to 2020_reVISION
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In a Democracy, eligible citizens fully dictate how they’re governed — everyone who’s eligible votes on proposed laws and regulations, and the majority wins. The minority doesn’t have power or protection from the majority because there’s not a charter or constitution protecting individual rights. Consequently, the majority has absolute power and can impose its will on the minority.
That is a direct democracy. It's actually a very specific form of a direct democracy.
No one is discussing a direct democracy. No matter how many times ya'll try to interject it into the discussion, no one is talking about that.
There's not one form of democracy.
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A Representative Democracy is like a Republic in that you vote for representatives who then represent your will in a legislative body. However, the critical difference between a democracy and a republic is that a republic has a written law that protects the fundamental rights of the minority.
This isn't correct either. You're talking about a constitutional form of government. Both republics and democracies can exist without this, like the UK
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The logical flaw
There is no flaw. You stated very clearly this:
Irrelevant
Democracy denotes a system of citizens voting.
That's on page 1 for those looking.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This isn't correct either. You're talking about a constitutional form of government. Both republics and democracies can exist without this, like the UK
But we do. Thus a Constitutional Republic.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:24 pm to BCreed1
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Democracy denotes a system of citizens voting.
Correct, and in Russia, their electoral system doesn't actually rely on citizens voting.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:25 pm to BCreed1
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But we do. Thus a Constitutional Republic.
Again:
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Constitutional (A written document creates the limits and procedure of government)
Federal (A national and smaller segments of governing)
Democratic (Citizens are allowed to participate in the governmental process via voting)
Republic (Representatives are chosen, via voting and appointment, to represent citizens)
Our system is a sliding scale combination of all 4 concepts.
We are a Constitutional Federal Democratic Republic.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
Considering both statements together which statement has a higher degree of accuracy?
The United States of America is a constitutional republic.
The United States of America is a democracy.
The United States of America is a constitutional republic.
The United States of America is a democracy.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:31 pm to geoag58
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Considering both statements together which statement has a higher degree of accuracy?
The United States of America is a constitutional republic.
The United States of America is a democracy.
Neither is more accurate.
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B
Is that quoted text above:
1. the letter B
2. a capital letter
3. a character that is in bold
4. text in a post on Tigerdroppings.com
Which has a "higher degree of accuracy"?
This post was edited on 6/15/24 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'll be back in three hours to see if you are still here.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Correct, and in Russia, their electoral system doesn't actually rely on citizens voting.
Says who? Their electoral system does rely on citizen's voting.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:52 pm to BCreed1
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Says who? Their electoral system does rely on citizen's voting.
Pretty much anyone who knows anything about Russia.
But the good news is if their citizens' votes are actually counted, that's fine for this discussion. Then they would be a democracy.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Pretty much anyone who knows anything about Russia.
So no. Do the citizens vote? Period. Full stop.. That is your metric for "democracy".
That answer is yes. They do. 86,204,291 votes were cast.
Just because you don't agree with the results, your disagreement is not relevant. Just because you think it's a sham, it doesn't mean people did not cast a vote.
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that's fine for this discussion. Then they would be a democracy.
Would be? Your words are they ARE a democracy. Even CUBA is a democracy.
Man at every turn you continue to out yourself. Why keep pretending?
Posted on 6/15/24 at 6:00 pm to BCreed1
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Would be? Your words are they ARE a democracy. Even CUBA is a democracy.
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Constitutional (A written document creates the limits and procedure of government)
Federal (A national and smaller segments of governing)
Democratic (Citizens are allowed to participate in the governmental process via voting)
Republic (Representatives are chosen, via voting and appointment, to represent citizens)
Participation means the votes have to count. Otherwise, those "votes" have no impact and there is no participation. Thus, no democracy.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 6:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Participation means the votes have to count.
Are you claiming their elections are corrupted?
Posted on 6/15/24 at 6:14 pm to the808bass
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Are you claiming their elections are corrupted?
That was his implication.
I already covered where you want to go, too
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But the good news is if their citizens' votes are actually counted, that's fine for this discussion. Then they would be a democracy.
And I'll address your next gotcha before you try to make it: if our votes don't count, and our elections are that corrupted, then we're neither a republic nor a democracy.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 6:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/15/24 at 7:48 am to Placekicker
The talking point "America is a republic, not a republic" is the height of NPC idiocy.
We are a democracy and a republic.
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Posted on 6/15/24 at 6:14 pm to the808bass
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Are you claiming their elections are corrupted?
That was his implication.
I already covered where you want to go, too
You are in your 11th hour of defending your inane position. Your commitment to stupid is impressive.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 6:44 pm to GeronimoBernstein
I'm currently grilling chicken and enjoying being 100% correct yet again
Posted on 6/15/24 at 6:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The talking point "America is a republic, not a republic" is the height of NPC idiocy
It’s a Democratic Republic not a Democracy. And it is a distinction that is absolutely critical in making our system of government work.
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