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Deflation is Here Again for the First Time Since 2020

Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:02 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
132501 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:02 am
If the trend continues the Federal Reserve will have to cut. "Inflation" is a key metric the FR tracks to set the Fed's Fund Rate.





Posted by RougeDawg
Member since Jul 2016
6789 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:06 am to
I'm ready for cheaper stuff.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
86718 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:06 am to
quote:

the trend continues the Federal Reserve will have to cut.


They are behind on the cuts like always Too Late Jerome needs to stop playing politics. Me and Trump are right again
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
132501 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:09 am to
quote:

They are behind on the cuts like always Too Late Jerome needs to stop playing politics. Me and Trump are right again


The FR is always a quarter behind, which is fine by me. I guess they want to see deflating CPI numbers with higher unemployment before they act.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
96477 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:40 am to
I was told tariffs would cause massive inflation
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
46492 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:41 am to
quote:

I'm ready for cheaper stuff.





You're going waiting a long time. Trump tariffs are fixing to make prices soar.
Posted by dickkellog
little rock
Member since Dec 2024
510 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:43 am to
or powell is UNIPARTY and desperately want's trump to fail.

i'm not complaining thanks to his propping up joe biden i've got a 2.5% 15 year mortgage!
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
75428 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:44 am to
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
29356 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:47 am to
Trump is such a shite head. Every time he gets in office we get this deflation. He can’t keep giving us a cheaper cost of living and getting away with it.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
55357 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:59 am to
quote:

If the trend continues the Federal Reserve will have to cut. "Inflation" is a key metric the FR tracks to set the Fed's Fund Rate.


While the Fed has continued to slowly divest itself of COVID assets, M1 and M2 have been moving back upward for at least the last year. Normally this would be a sign of growing liquidity, but when you bring in wage growth, inflation and consumer debt (car loans, credit card debt and underscored by personal savings as a percentage of disposable income), it shows consumers are still trying to offset inflation through debt.

When we start looking at credit card delinquencies (90+ days), we see a steady climb from ~8% in Q2 2023 to Q4 2024's 11.35%, with expectations for Q1 2025 being ~ 11.5%. Next, we can look at approximate vehicle repossession rates:

2007: ~1.9 million (approximated from Cox Automotive chart trends)
2008: ~2.0 million (Great Recession peak)
2009: ~1.9 million (high due to financial crisis)
2010–2016: ~1.6–1.8 million (gradual decline post-recession)
2017: ~1.8 million
2019: 1.68 million
2020: ~1.3 million (COVID-era drop)
2021: ~1.1 million (COVID low due to stimmy checks, PPP, etc)
2022: ~1.2 million
2023: ~1.5 million
2024: ~1.73 million
2025: It's too early to tell but at this point it's likely to be ~1.75–2 million

What this all means, at least the way that I read it, is that we're in the early part of the consumer debt bubble popping. Right now the Fed's choices are:

1. Lower rates and kick inflation back up near 3% again. Real wages remaining flat means more consumer debt creation and continued growth in loan delinquencies. The Fed isn't likely to make large cuts, meaning the rise in delinquency/default risks for the credit card companies will cause card rates to go higher (most sites have the current average ranging from ~22%-28%) rather than follow the Fed's path. This feeds the debt bubble popping both through the return of the slow crawl of upward inflation as well as loan rate increases.

2. Raise rates and fast-track the recession and subsequent consumer debt bubble popping. This is the absolute least likely scenario.

3. Keep rates the same, causing inflation to continue to move downward. With jobless claims (both new and continued) slowly going down, this SHOULD indicate job growth and if that's the case then keeping rates stagnant would keep those trends going. This would stretch the debt popping bubble out a bit, at least if Unemployment and real wages remain stagnant (ideally real wages would increase as inflation drops).

Remember, you raise rates when the economy is good, you cut rates when the economy is bad. With so much of GDP growth being carried by increasing consumer debt, keeping rates stagnant seems to be the least shitty option at least until we see Unemployment start moving above 4.5-5%.

Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
4952 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 12:04 pm to
Bump for the man, the myth, the self claimed legend Roger to see.
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