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re: “Due process” for deportations is as ridiculous as squatters rights.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:03 pm to HeadCall
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:03 pm to HeadCall
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Due process should be “prove your citizenship”. No? You gotta go. There will be some mistakes made and quite frankly, I’m perfectly fine with that.
If that was the proposed policy I would be ok with that.
I tend to have problems when US citizens are detained illegally with no court dates to figure out if they can be deported, but I could see how you'd be ok with some getting stripped of their rights without cause.
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:05 pm to NYNolaguy1
I’d prefer not to be okay with it, but this is the bed we’ve made and if we’re gonna deport the nearly 30 million here illegally some decent folks are gonna get caught up in the mix. Maybe all the politicians and lawyers and judges that facilitated this disaster should look in the mirror.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:09 pm to lake chuck fan
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How long would it take for you to prove your citizenship????
About 10 seconds
Exhibit A: Passport
Defense rests
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:13 pm to UptownJoeBrown
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About 10 seconds
Exhibit A: Passport
Defense rests
If there's no due process, when would a hearing happen?
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:16 pm to HeadCall
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It does exist
For now, yes, though some on this board (vehemently) disagree or see how it could be problematic for US citizens.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:17 pm to NYNolaguy1
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For now, yes
There’s no evidence that it won’t exist
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:17 pm to oklahogjr
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What steps are they told to take by the US government to come here and seek asylum?
They are told to lie about their situations
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:20 pm to oklahogjr
I don't know the process for seeking asylum, but I do know that you can start the process on a government website. I know someone who works as an interpreter in cases involving asylum seekers, and I have learned a few things from her. All of them have to go in front of a judge, who rules on their asylum application. The first thing that an immigrant has to prove is whether there is a threat of danger to themselves in their home country. But this is where the bulsh**** starts, because "danger" not only includes physical danger, but economic danger, religious persecution, gender persecution, etc.
As an example, if you can convince the judge that you are transexual and from a country that persecutes transexuals, you have a good chance of being granted asylum.
As an example, if you can convince the judge that you are transexual and from a country that persecutes transexuals, you have a good chance of being granted asylum.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:24 pm to HeadCall
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There’s no evidence that it won’t exist
One could argue that if you're relying on a statute that precludes judicial review to deport someone, that's a lack of due process. Have you read JGG v. Trump?
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:25 pm to NYNolaguy1
Yeah. If your first language is Tsotzil and you have lived in Mexico almost all your life, you might get deported.
I love making precedents on one in a million cases. It’s very efficient.
I love making precedents on one in a million cases. It’s very efficient.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:25 pm to NYNolaguy1
No and I won’t. Again, Trump didn’t make this mess. Any mistakes made along the way to cleaning it up don’t fall on his shoulders. It rests on the shoulders of those that made it.
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:29 pm to the808bass
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Yeah. If your first language is Tsotzil and you have lived in Mexico almost all your life, you might get deported.
I love making precedents on one in a million cases. It’s very efficient.
If he looked Canadian and spoke English would that change the situation?
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:29 pm to HeadCall
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Due process should be “prove your citizenship”. No? You gotta go. There will be some mistakes made and quite frankly, I’m perfectly fine with that.
It's a lot harder for some folks to prove citizenship than others. Especially on the poorer end of the spectrum.
Passports are expensive and people let them lapse or never get one. ~51% of people have their passport.
Then for a married women their names won't match to their birth certificate most of the time.... Whole other list of paperwork needed here.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:30 pm to bhtigerfan
So you must also support civil forfeiture by cops of cars and cash when cops stop them and say it "exhibits signs of drug trafficking.....so give us that cash, no trial, no lawyers, hand it over!"
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:31 pm to NYNolaguy1
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If he looked Canadian and spoke English would that change the situation?
If he spoke English and the Immigrarion officers asked him if he was here illegally, he would’ve said “no,” and the whole situation would’ve been different. Not that the press cares to tell the whole story.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:32 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:Common sense is very uncommon...
“Due process” for deportations is as ridiculous as squatters rights.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:34 pm to the808bass
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If he spoke English and the Immigrarion officers asked him if he was here illegally, he would’ve said “no,” and the whole situation would’ve been different. Not that the press cares to tell the whole story.
If ICE has a detainer for you, I don't think you can just say you're a citizen and expect them to walk away and drop it.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:34 pm to oklahogjr
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It's a lot harder for some folks to prove citizenship than others. Especially on the poorer end of the spectrum. Passports are expensive and people let them lapse or never get one. ~51% of people have their passport. Then for a married women their names won't match to their birth certificate most of the time.... Whole other list of paperwork needed here.
Boo fricking hoo
1) See my above posts. If this problem didn’t exist in the first place any mistakes made would be considered egregious. Unfortunately we’ve let in 10s of millions of people illegally. They have to go and they have to go fast. So some are going to slip through the cracks but that’s the responsibility of the policies that allowed so many in in the first place. Not on the people who are finally doing the right thing and deporting them.
2) If some states hadn’t given legal IDs to illegal immigrants in the first place then a simple Drivers license or legal government ID would suffice and a passport would be irrelevant.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:36 pm to NYNolaguy1
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If he looked Canadian and spoke English would that change the situation?
Obviously
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