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re: Greatest statement from President Nayib Bukele in the Oval Office
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:09 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:09 am to SlowFlowPro
The Constitutional Republic is done, SF, as there has become far too many who are incapable of being “moral and religious “ people. Self policing as it were. The immoral just use the freedom-oriented Rights in the Constitution to gum up and negate the legal process to hold them accountable for their crimes. The current Karmelo Anthony scenario is a perfect example and indicative of just why the true spirit of Constitutional Republic freedoms are no longer functional. We are headed to Authoritarian governance and it is just a matter of which ideology holds the formal reins of power, Marxist/Egalitarian or the Capitalist/Meritocracy version. The Founders knew this would happen, therein the “for as long as you can keep it “ quote. Authoritarian government is coming and Bukele is the tip of the Western civilization spear.
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Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:12 am to the808bass
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Nor did I denigrate the Constitution.
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Mouthing “we must protect the Constitution” while supporting lawlessness and chaos is just kabuki theater.
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You’re making a false choice fallacy.
This is also not true. I just made a statement about the relationship between OP and the Constitution.
There is no false choice in our rights and limits on government and the Constitution, as that's the entire point of the document. Trying to attacking the foundational principles of the Constitution by associating that support as "supporting lawlessness" shows either a fundamental misunderstanding or disgust with the Constitution.
I offered you the opportunity to cure the misunderstanding, but you chose to double down, so I assume it's disgust now until proven otherwise.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:14 am to RCDfan1950
That’s a pretty good summation.
You can’t create an ordered society by laws and law enforcement. If the laws are not written on the hearts of the citizenry, the mountains of legal code will not instill it.
You can’t create an ordered society by laws and law enforcement. If the laws are not written on the hearts of the citizenry, the mountains of legal code will not instill it.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:14 am to RCDfan1950
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The Constitutional Republic is done, SF, as there has become far too many who are incapable of being “moral and religious “ people. Self policing as it were. The immoral just use the freedom-oriented Rights in the Constitution to gum up and negate the legal process to hold them accountable for their crimes. The current Karmelo Anthony scenario is a perfect example and indicative of just why the true spirit of Constitutional Republic freedoms are no longer functional. We are headed to Authoritarian governance and it is just a matter of which ideology holds the formal reins of power, Marxist/Egalitarian or the Capitalist/Meritocracy version. The Founders knew this would happen, therein the “for as long as you can keep it “ quote. Authoritarian government is coming and Bukele is the tip of the Western civilization spear.
Black pill nonsense.
You're an NPC for authoritarianism.
This post was edited on 4/21/25 at 8:15 am
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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Trying to attacking the foundational principles of the Constitution by associating that support as "supporting lawlessness" shows either a fundamental misunderstanding or disgust with the Constitution.
I didn’t do that. You just can’t read for shite.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:15 am to the808bass
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That’s a pretty good summation.
On brand
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:15 am to the808bass
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I didn’t do that.
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Mouthing “we must protect the Constitution” while supporting lawlessness and chaos is just kabuki theater.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're an NPC for authoritarianism.
You’re a moral retard.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
Do you know what “mouthing” means? You’re getting blinded by my personality. Focus on the argument, chap.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:18 am to SlowFlowPro
What’s your brand? A pretentious prick that’s nothing more than a glorified car salesman?
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:18 am to jeff5891
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The problem is that he most likely threw innocent people in there as well.
What if he didn’t and he made his country safe and prosperous? You care about “maybe” much more than the actual outcomes which is telling. Grow a ball sack dude and realize that unicorn farts and pixie shite don’t power the worked!
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:20 am to the808bass
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Mouthing “we must protect the Constitution” while supporting lawlessness and chaos is just kabuki theater. I don’t have to pretend that such an argument is legitimate.
What lawlessness and chaos am I supporting??? I think the 2nd Amendment absolutely preserves my right to bear arms. The Biden open border policy was chaotic, unlawful, and extremely deadly and dangerous. Thank God President Trump has followed the law and secured the border. Do these sound like positions of someone who supports lawlessness and chaos?
As to the most prominent deportation case where we know most of the facts, the Trump administration did not seek to terminate the 2019 “withholding of removal” before deporting Abrego Garcia to El Salvador on Mar. 15. Nor did it afford Abrego Garcia the opportunity to contest his deportation – an independent and clear violation of his Fifth Amendment right to due process.
I'm not aware of anyone with a law degree from a top ten law school who thinks that Abrego Garcia’s 5th Amendment rights weren't violated. ALL of the judges and justices (including conservatives) who reviewed his case agree on this.
How would it have been chaotic or unlawful to simply abide by the legal process in Abrego Garcia's case?
Anyhow, we've gone round and round on this. As I said, I think it's just a clash of values. You think the country will sink if we afford whatever due process rights are due people who are alleged to be illegal immigrants. I am all for removing ALL illegal immigrants as quickly as possible within the confines of the law. The asylum process has been shamelessly abused and does lead to chaos. That needs to be streamlined.
I certainly don't think you're a bad person because we disagree. I'm vilified as some kind of horrible, illegal immigrant-supporting person because I am a civil libertarian. It's the PoliBoard. I can live with it.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:21 am to jeff5891
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The problem is that he most likely threw innocent people in there as well.
But hey, let’s model ourselves off of actions that trample our Constitution
Got proof of your claim?
I can point to plenty of examples of criminals in the US who wreak havoc on our streets despite having lengthy rap sheets with multiple prior felony convictions because liberal judges keep letting them off with slap on the wrist sentences and putting them back on the streets.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:22 am to the808bass
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You’re arguing a point I haven’t made in this thread.
Well yea, that’s his thing
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:22 am to IvoryBillMatt
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What lawlessness and chaos am I supporting?
If it doesn’t apply to you, it doesn’t apply to you. I’m not talking about principled people who actually believe in the Constitution in my post.
I’m talking about people who believe we need to rewrite the Constitution while caterwauling about Trump.
I didn’t read any of the rest of your post.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:23 am to jeff5891
How stupid can I be? I’m just realizing jeff5891 is a troll and I fell for it.
It’s scientifically impossible for a serious person to be that fricking stupid. It’s just not possible. My bad.
It’s scientifically impossible for a serious person to be that fricking stupid. It’s just not possible. My bad.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:24 am to the808bass
Just let him be who he is, Bass. The board understands his schtick. He'll parse words until he's blue in the face, and eventually you get the "pigeon that plays chess."
I've re-read your back and forth with him, and no where did I see you attack the Constitution...but he'll die on that hill, no matter how many posters tell him he's wrong. It's what he does...plays word games with you and drags you down to his level. He's an attorney, after all. He parses words for a living....
I've re-read your back and forth with him, and no where did I see you attack the Constitution...but he'll die on that hill, no matter how many posters tell him he's wrong. It's what he does...plays word games with you and drags you down to his level. He's an attorney, after all. He parses words for a living....
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:25 am to jeff5891
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You following this thread? El Salvador imprisoned innocent Salvadorans, and the people in this thread are championing their tactics.
Please copy and paste your concern about the Jan6thers that were incarcerated without due process?
Also for Anyone else the “due process” for an illegal alien is via the immigration courts and not a Federal Court. The Illegal Immigrant was given not one but two deportation orders!
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:29 am to DellTronJon
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'That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape, than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long & generally approv’d, never that I know of controverted.'
-Benjamin Franklin
The Founders also said that the Constitution is only for a moral people.
In the 1700s, did we have international gangbangers and terrorists in our country intentionally brought here by a fraudulently installed president?
Did they have an entire party hellbent on destroying the country?
Was 13% of the population incapable of living in a civilized society?
Did the Founders have a large group of people trying to groom children?
Can you honestly say we are a moral country now?
If we're going to base policy on quotes of our Founders, let's use them all, not just pick and choose the ones you like.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:30 am to Geekboy
Two things can be true:
1. What El Salvador is doing is incredible, needed and life changing for 99 percent of the population.
2. You can't do that in the United States.
People need to realize that every country is not like the United States. They don't have the same laws, culture, constitution, etc.
Some countries, like El Salvador, are (were?) so far gone that there is no saving them without drastic solutions. The corruption, crime, drugs, gangs, etc., were so bad there that "regular" response would never work.
We can appreciate that without wanting that here.
That doesn't mean that the United States can't take a much harsher stance on crime, and still be true to the constitution.
1. What El Salvador is doing is incredible, needed and life changing for 99 percent of the population.
2. You can't do that in the United States.
People need to realize that every country is not like the United States. They don't have the same laws, culture, constitution, etc.
Some countries, like El Salvador, are (were?) so far gone that there is no saving them without drastic solutions. The corruption, crime, drugs, gangs, etc., were so bad there that "regular" response would never work.
We can appreciate that without wanting that here.
That doesn't mean that the United States can't take a much harsher stance on crime, and still be true to the constitution.
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