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re: Greatest statement from President Nayib Bukele in the Oval Office
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:22 am to jeff5891
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:22 am to jeff5891
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If this was done in the USA, would disregard rights provided by our Constitution?
You dont think this happened to some of those J-6 folks?
Its a bit dishonest for people to diss this move while supporting imprisoning folks who did zero violence on J-6
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Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:23 am to jeff5891
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But hey, let’s model ourselves off of actions that trample our Constitution
Any trampling of our constitution has as its root cause the move away from morality in our society. Bring that back and our constitution works almost perfectly.
The dim's can't import thousands, maybe millions of murderous gangsters illegally in an attempt to insure dim rule in perpetuity. And then cry foul when the moral majority must resort to antiquated rules to remove this scum because immoral dims are using mis-applied rules to prevent their removal.
This post was edited on 4/21/25 at 11:32 am
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:28 am to jeff5891
We could probably do the same under RICO (with some restrictions / less powerful), and if Trump declares more gangs as terrorist groups could suspend their “rights” (animals don’t have human rights)
There are millions of people who do nothing but commit crime, take welfare, and continue the cycle with no family planning. Long past time to break the cycle.
There are millions of people who do nothing but commit crime, take welfare, and continue the cycle with no family planning. Long past time to break the cycle.
This post was edited on 4/21/25 at 10:29 am
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:28 am to BBONDS25
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My understanding is that the director and his boss were both fired. I’m not sure how a corrected affidavit could be filed. The judge already gave his order, right?
Thanks. I hadn't heard that the field director had been fired.
As for the corrected affidavit, the case is ongoing, so the record can be corrected/supplemented at any time.
I actually went through the record and found the closest I could find to a corrected affidavit.
This was submitted on 4/13/25:
I don't think he's right about the legal ramifications of MS-13 subsequently being designated a "foreign terrorist organization." I think the government would still have to reopen the immigration case and have an immigration judge rescind the withholding order.
IF that issue is before the court, it would be great to get a ruling on that. IF the Supreme Court ultimately rules that alleged membership in a foreign terrorist organization is all that it takes to justify deportation without any kind of hearing that would be an enormous victory. As far as I can tell, the law isn't clear on that.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:34 am to jeff5891
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The problem is that he most likely threw innocent people in there as well.
While true, how can you expect anyone, at all in history to be absolutely 100% perfect in everything they do? Sleepy Joe def was not, yet I’m sure you supported him as well
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You dont think this happened to some of those J-6 folks?
I’m not sure what you’re arguing. If any of those people had their Constitutional rights violated without due process, I would have a problem with it.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 12:27 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Why do so many of y'all think you know better than ALL of the judges and justices who have reviewed the law and the facts in the Abrego Garcia case?
Because the vast majority of judges in this country are nothing but political hacks. Americans hold lawyers in very low regard. And if there is one profession held in lower regard than attorneys it is politicians. Every single judge gets their start as a political attorney. Yet, as soon as they don a judicial robe and are handed a gavel we are supposed to just assume they are now all-wise, honest and devoid of base human failures.
This post was edited on 4/21/25 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 4/21/25 at 12:29 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Why do so many of y'all think you know better than ALL of the judges and justices who have reviewed the law and the facts in the Abrego Garcia case?
Appeal to authority fallacy.
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Even Clarence Thomas and all the Trump-appointed Supreme Court justices agree that it was illegal to deport Abrego Garcia to El Salvador.
The word the Court used was “improper.”
Everyone agrees he is subject to removal, but the procedure wasn’t followed properly. The Court instructed Trump to “facilitate” curing the procedural defects. How and when do you propose that happen?
This post was edited on 4/21/25 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 4/21/25 at 12:33 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Because the vast majority of judges in this country are nothing but political hacks.
You made some good points, but as to this PARTICULAR case, every judge (regardless of political leaning) has found the same thing.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 12:49 pm to BBONDS25
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Appeal to authority fallacy.
It's not an appeal to authority. It's a statement of fact. Only certain judges and justices have reviewed this. The outcome was at least (not sure if different panels on 4th Circuit reviewed it) 13 for illegally deported to El Salvador, 0 for legal deportation.
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The word the Court used was “improper.”
Please show me that. The decision itself says "illegal."
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Everyone agrees he is subject to removal, but the procedure wasn’t followed properly. The Court instructed Trump to “facilitate” curing the procedural defects. How and when do you propose that happen?
I have already said the Trump Administration was successful in bypassing the legal system here. President Bukele can't be forced to do anything by American courts. Weirdly, Bondi said that "we would send a plane" for KAG if he were released. So, maybe she sentenced him to life imprisonment. Who knows?
Posted on 4/21/25 at 12:51 pm to jeff5891
There is collateral damage with every law. That doesn't mean you stop enforcing them. This retarded logic is an just an appeal to emotion. Only low IQ morons and women fall for that shite.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 12:57 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Those who think our country is being destroyed by illegal aliens, seem to think that if the legal process is an impediment to removing a possible illegal alien immediately, the legal process should be ignored.
Those of us who think that America is the greatest country because of our Constitution and its Bill of Rights want to see the legal process followed even when inconvenient, unpopular, and frustrating.
Congrats, if we all followed your suggestion we would be pristine and pure and up to our necks in filth like the UK is.
Sure, any city bigger than 100K is now Jackson, Mississippi, but by God I have "principles".
Posted on 4/21/25 at 1:05 pm to RohanGonzales
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Congrats, if we all followed your suggestion we would be pristine and pure and up to our necks in filth like the UK is.
Sure, any city bigger than 100K is now Jackson, Mississippi, but by God I have "principles".
Like with the border fiasco with Biden, it's not the LAWS, it's the people charged with enforcing the law. Put Trump in charge, fix Border with same laws.
The problem is the Democrats that control certain jurisdictions...not the laws. Democrats don't enforce the laws.
This post was edited on 4/21/25 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 4/21/25 at 1:15 pm to jeff5891
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let’s model ourselves off of actions that trample our Constitution.
you're a little late to the party with your sentiment -
Posted on 4/21/25 at 1:21 pm to jeff5891
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The problem is that he most likely threw innocent people in there as well.
But hey, let’s model ourselves off of actions that trample our Constitution.
Worth it.
Homicides in El Salvador
Year Rate per 100,000 Total
2015 106.3 6,656
2016 84.1 5,269
2017 83.0 3,962
2018 53.1 3,346
2019 38.0 2,398
2020 21.2 1,341
2021 18.1 1,147
2022 7.8 495
2023 2.4 154
2024 1.9 114
This post was edited on 4/21/25 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 4/21/25 at 1:40 pm to jeff5891
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The problem is that he most likely threw innocent people in there as well.
Stuff like this is one of the main reasons we have such a hard time getting anything done, everyone wants the perfect solution. There is no perfect solution. Hell our own "constitutional" justice system has imprisoned innocent people. It happens. You just have to hope nobody is doing it on purpose (and our people have done it on purpose in our system as well)
I remember before the election there was a lot of talk about how each candidate would make housing more affordable and one of them presented a plan and I remember multiple people saying "but but but that isn't right bc that will screw current homeowners by lowering the value of their homes!!!"
WTF are we even doing?
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