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How long do we need to wait and see on the tarrifs?
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:11 pm
I think I’m fairly well on the record here about no one including fart sniffing economist have any real idea about how tarrifs will affect us and that there is the possibility of it being a major boon.
I also understand that it is clearly a long term play and ANY day to day variance in the stock market is of little consequence one way or the other in regards to the strategy.
With that said I wonder how long do we have to let this play out?
America doesn’t have the patience of China who makes 100 year decisions.
Does Don have ~ 6-8 months or is he willing to sacrifice the midterms to achieve the overall goal.
I also understand that it is clearly a long term play and ANY day to day variance in the stock market is of little consequence one way or the other in regards to the strategy.
With that said I wonder how long do we have to let this play out?
America doesn’t have the patience of China who makes 100 year decisions.
Does Don have ~ 6-8 months or is he willing to sacrifice the midterms to achieve the overall goal.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:14 pm to Adam Banks
Trump's economic policies and strategies are going to take 12-16 months to know if they were a success or failure.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:17 pm to Adam Banks
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America doesn’t have the patience of China
Please elaborate on how you are being impacted?
Outside of stocks being down, no other impact on my life so far.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:20 pm to Bass Tiger
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Trump's economic policies and strategies are going to take 12-16 months to know if they were a success or failure.
Personally I think done right it’s 2-3 years or even longer. Getting manufacturing home etc will take time. Only issue is that’s after midterms
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:24 pm to Adam Banks
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Personally I think done right it’s 2-3 years or even longer. Getting manufacturing home etc will take time. Only issue is that’s after midterms
If we don't see a lot of shovels in the ground and dozens of new multi billion dollar manufacturing facilities being constructed by this time next year......not good.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:27 pm to Adam Banks
1st mile stone would be the end of the 90 day pause to see what countries have come to the table and see if the US gets a more favorable trade agreement.
2nd mile stone will be what happens to those you don’t work out an agreement to see what happens when tariffs are re-enacted
2nd mile stone will be what happens to those you don’t work out an agreement to see what happens when tariffs are re-enacted
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:33 pm to DarthRebel
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Please elaborate on how you are being impacted? Outside of stocks being down, no other impact on my life so far.
I haven’t other than that but to downplay that political reality going into midterms is silly
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:33 pm to Adam Banks
This guy has a pretty good Substack. I think this is fair.
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Shock and awe. Shock and awe certainly worked during the First Gulf War, but shock and awe in economic terms can backfire when your domestic economy is exposed to fallout from it. This is precisely what happened, and it is the cleanup from this fallout that will buys this administration for the next few months as it engages in trade negotiations with foreign governments. The British use the term “own goal” for when a soccer player accidentally scores against his own team. This now has all the appearances of a Trump-led own goal.
At the same time, Trump is still to be commended for addressing and trying to act on the fact globalism is no longer working for America and Americans. The bet that the USA placed on China opening up its political system through integration into the global trade regime lost, and instead it was the Chinese who have benefited the most from the architecture erected by America. The USA is now in pursuit of cobbling together a new system of trade, one which can only be a retreat from globalism, as it seeks to use any new arrangement to tame the Chinese by restoring America’s manufacturing base. The vision is sound, but the execution seems to be sorely lacking.
Julius Krein has analyzed the past three weeks of tariff-mania, and in the opinion of this layman his conclusions are sound:
To be sure, the tariffs proceeded from sound motivations. The hollowing out of the U.S. industrial base over the last fifty years is now widely recognized as a major national security and macroeconomic problem, especially after the Covid pandemic and the Russia-Ukraine War exposed glaring vulnerabilities in America’s defense industrial base. There is—or at least there was—a broad, bipartisan coalition to address this crisis. Unfortunately, the policies the Trump administration decided to pursue seem confused, and the process by which these measures were determined and implemented has been confusing, to say the least.
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Next to profit, business craves nothing more than stability. The initial shock combined with revisions, walk-backs, exemptions, and so on is akin to an earthquake measuring 8.5 on the Richter Scale. How do companies plan for the future if they have no idea what costs will be like from one week to the next?
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What have we learned?
At this point, it should be clear that a tariff-first strategy for reindustrialization is not going to succeed. Purely “protectionist” measures like tariffs work best when there is a domestic industry to protect. But many critical manufacturing sectors—such as cell phones, ships, consumer drones, processed critical minerals, various electronics components, and many others—are essentially nonexistent in the United States. In addition, certain critical manufacturing machinery and equipment are no longer produced here, so a reindustrializing America would, initially, have to increase imports of such equipment. Even when the domestic industry has not been entirely lost, trade protection without investment support has an uninspiring track record. American political discourse has been uniquely obsessed with tariffs as the first or only tool of industrial development, a fixation that is frequently counterproductive.
White House officials’ more recent statements suggest that they have finally internalized what their actions previously revealed: the liberation day tariffs were a costly mistake. The administration will now have to pull off a series of frantic negotiations just to extricate itself from an economic calamity, despite having already exposed points of weakness that forced a retreat from liberation day.
I am forced to agree with Julius that this entire episode has been “a costly mistake”.
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Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:37 pm to DarthRebel
Narrow thinking… I bet you live in a bubble and near ppl that think just like you. Good for you bud.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:47 pm to Bunk Moreland
Who would have guessed that making items that are completely unavailable domestically artificially more expensive would have negative consequences.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:56 pm to Adam Banks
Republicans have a small majority, how long are vulnerable members going to continue to delegate the tarrif power with pending elections.
Like it or not, Democrats would win a 30 seat majority if election was held today
Like it or not, Democrats would win a 30 seat majority if election was held today
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:58 pm to Adam Banks
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Does Don have ~ 6-8 months or is he willing to sacrifice the midterms to achieve the overall goal.
I don’t think he gives a frick about much. He won’t be running again.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:59 pm to Cryin Kelly
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Democrats would win a 30 seat majority if election was held today
Lol
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:05 pm to Cryin Kelly
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Like it or not, Democrats would win a 30 seat majority if election was held today
Based on what? They’re at like a 20% approval rating as a party. They can’t get on the same page with a message.
We have to worry about RINO’s more than anything.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:19 pm to Tigerdew
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Based on what? They’re at like a 20% approval rating as a party. They can’t get on the same page with a message.
We have to worry about RINO’s more than anything.
based on what he could pull out of his arse
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:21 pm to Adam Banks
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America doesn’t have the patience of China who makes 100 year decisions.
China wasn’t smart enough to see how their one child policy is going to cause a demographic and economic bomb.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:37 pm to Adam Banks
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America doesn’t have the patience of China who makes 100 year decisions.
This is a myth. China has always been a fractured shithole and everyone (Mongols, Russia, Japan, England, France, etc.) has made them their bitch. Hell, even Vietnam sent their asses packing. The rise of China is built wholly on the American and E.U. consumer markets at the expense of our own workers. Once they lose those markets, China will crumble and go back to the fractured shithole that it's always been.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:40 pm to Adam Banks
Has anything you spend daily on increased since the evil tariffs kicked in
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