Hypothetically The PRC launches an invasion of the USA?

Essentially correct.

Moreover, the President could not declare it an "invasion" for the purposes of the Alien Enemies Act (according to a couple of District Court Judges)

You forgot the "illegal" part, but I'm sure that was just an oversight on your part.

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I’m frustrated with the judges, but this is a sophomoric thread. You ask how the two situations are different. Well, in one case an enemy army is attacking us and in the other a bunch of immigrants have poured into our country at the requests of 30 years of our governments.

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I knew somebody would use this stupid argument but it is stupid. First of all what a thousands of rains just hop off the boat and don't shoot anybody?

Second of all. What the frick have invasions been about since the dawn of time? Taking over an area for its resources and for your personal benefit. It's too bad nobody told people 2,000 years ago about this new much more highly effective way to accomplish that task. You just tell all your people to move there! The other country just has to let them in until eventually you outvote the residents of that country. It's fricking retarded

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There’s a difference between a uniformed army and a”migrants”.

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Not all enemies wear uniforms.

It is guaranteed the PRC has a multitude of foreign military agents in this country right now ($1 to Biden) ….. an they aren’t wearing uniforms

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I knew somebody would use this stupid argument but it is stupid.

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You are arguing that people who come to America, at the encouragement of several successive American Administrations, are invading armies. I oppose that argument (They are here illegally, and we should stop this practice and return the worst of them.) One of us definitely has a very stupid argument.

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You are arguing that people who come to America, at the encouragement of several successive American Administrations, are invading armies. I oppose that argument (They are here illegally, and we should stop this practice and return the worst of them.) One of us definitely has a very stupid argument.

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The Point remains. So if I'm the political opposition in America and I find that another country out there is friendly to my political position I should just encourage them to show up by the tens of Millions! And we will just pretend it's not an invasion that benefits my political side. This is literally no different than what happened hundreds of years ago. Invasions happened all of the time theoretically and support of some minority local group. Hell they still happen. And apparently using the current logic all of those people were stupid because the trick is you just send the people without the guns and then the other country has to take them! I don't give a frick about how you differentiate it the results are the same

You're talking about two different things which look similar, but unfortunately the differences matter when it comes to the law.

The illegals coming in aren't a military invasion force, in many instances they are being facilitated by groups within the US allowed to do so (and sometimes in either direct or incidental conjunction with groups outside the US). This facilitation can vary in style from water stations in the desert to cell phones to flying them around the country or putting them up in hotels on taxpayer dimes once they get here (looking at you, Creepy Uncle Joe). That's not nearly so much an external threat as it is an internal one.

Any talk of the illegals coming in being an "invasion" is short-sighted and detrimental until we address the root of the problem (the massive amounts coming in is only a symptom) and that root is those individuals and groups within the US who are allowed to facilitate and promote illegals coming here. Before some tree-licker shows up to cry about "MUH FREE SPEECH, U NATZIS!@!", lemme introduce you to 8 U.S. Code § 1324 - Bringing in and harboring certain aliens

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(A)Any person who—
(i)knowing that a person is an alien, brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien;

(ii)knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law;

(iii)knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;

(iv)encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law; or

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(I)engages in any conspiracy to commit any of the preceding acts, or

(II)aids or abets the commission of any of the preceding acts, shall be punished as provided in subparagraph (B).

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There's more (click the link) but that's the meat of it. And here's the penalty:

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(B)A person who violates subparagraph (A) shall, for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs—
(i)in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i) or (v)(I) or in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(ii), (iii), or (iv) in which the offense was done for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gain, be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both;

(ii)in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(ii), (iii), (iv), or (v)(II), be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both;

(iii)in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i), (ii), (iii), (iv), or (v) during and in relation to which the person causes serious bodily injury (as defined in section 1365 of title 18) to, or places in jeopardy the life of, any person, be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both; and

(iv)in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i), (ii), (iii), (iv), or (v) resulting in the death of any person, be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined under title 18, or both.

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While it's great to see Homan out there upholding laws which have been ignored for years by going after the actual illegals, we really need another Homan who's laser-focused on going after the individuals and groups who have facilitated the mass importation of illegals from within the US. Cutting them off at the knees would go a looooooong way toward limiting this industry's ability to rebuild if we get another Biden-like administration (in regards to illegal immigration) in the White House.

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There’s a difference between a uniformed army and a”migrants”.

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But is there? I see no qualifier in the wording of the Constitution.

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So if I'm the political opposition in America and I find that another country out there is friendly to my political position I should just encourage them to show up by the tens of Millions!

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It depends. I’d love to see tens of million of Eastern European Christians, especially if we could filter out the thugs. I’d love to see droves of Christian Arabs.

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the trick is you just send the people without the guns and then the other country has to take them!

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No, you are jumping to a conclusion. We can run them off; I posted that we should.

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There’s a difference between a uniformed army and a”migrants”.

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Both invasion type end your country. One just does it more slowly than the other.


I'm with Jesse on this:

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