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re: Kendal Swanson identified as alleged pilot of Delta flight

Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:05 pm to
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
8437 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:05 pm to
women who fly up side down have crack up
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
4558 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:07 pm to
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Why the delay in releasing info?


Delta made it much worse by delay. I am against DEI, but there is lots of blame to be spread here.

As with Captain Lobach, the delay suggested what we all knew...that the pilot flying the aircraft was a woman. The delay will focus all the attention on Swanson...unfairly.

I pray for her.
Posted by MikkUGA
Destin
Member since Jun 2014
1450 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:07 pm to
As someone with 23 years of aviation maintenance experience. I have seen this exact scenario happen before. First off that jet came in too fast and landed really hard. It appears as if the right main landing gear collapsed which is why the wing hit and snapped.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
19030 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:07 pm to
Needs to set her sights on crop dusting.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
13957 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:13 pm to
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Come on. You guys have become so predictable and boring. BFD. A female pilot. That means she’s incompetent?
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
35320 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:16 pm to
All survived, correct? There's that. BUT...if there's any hint that the result of the crash was someone or several people were trying to make a point about DEI and put that agenda out in front of safety, be it her, Delta, or the crew at the airport, then there should be hell to pay.

We already got an indication of that with the delaying of her name being released.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
37102 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:17 pm to
I don’t understand these documents but from my pov it looks like a good reason for all the passengers on that plane to turn down that $30K offer from Delta.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
13957 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:21 pm to
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Her descent rate was 1100 feet per minute

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Operational experience and research have shown that a descent rate of greater than approximately 1,000 FPM is unacceptable during the final stages of an approach (below 1,000 feet AGL). This is due to a human perceptual limitation that is independent of the type of airplane or helicopter. Therefore, the operational practices and techniques must ensure that descent rates greater than 1,000 FPM are not permitted in either the instrument or visual portions of an approach and landing operation.

Simply put, sustained descent rates over 1,000 FPM are unstable on approach.

Physically, it's difficult for your body to perceive and react to descent rates over 1,000 FPM adequately


Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:21 pm to
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You have to be able to see over the dashboard, and reach the pedals at the same time
Damn.

I knew that the airlines have been cutting costs, but I was unaware that they have had to remove the adjustable seats from the cockpits.
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 4:30 pm
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
70461 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:24 pm to
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Delta made it much worse by delay.


Yes they did.

Watching the film more than once the plane pancaked and had no chance for ground effect that floats the plane down the runway for a soft landing.

Things that cause this are sudden and drastic wind change. Too heavy of a aircraft. Too rapid rate of a descent. Or a combo of these. Just a private pilot here I'm sure others know more and can chime in. It won't take long to find out.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
19030 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:26 pm to
The plane did not flair for landing.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:28 pm to


What do you see in this information which leads you to believe that the pilot in question was "incompetent?"

All I see is an indication that she had not yet logged enough hours to qualify as PIC. What am I missing here?
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
32185 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:30 pm to
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I play pickleball with a Delta Pilot. He said DEI is real. He does training and he cannot fail a black or female. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Delta is non union unlike the other Airlines. I think we all know DEI is legal discrimination. Delta should be sued till they go bankrupt
Okay, let’s address some of these.

First off, Delta pilots are union, they belong to ALPA (Air Line Pilots Association), but new hires and probationary pilots have limited protections.

What does he mean he can’t fail them? Do they just keep them in training until they can pass the required check rides? Train until pass? That’s neither legal, fair nor safe.

It a pilot causes an accident and it’s proven that had numerous training failures, they can and should be sued into oblivion.

I know the airline I fly for doesn’t do that. Hell, they’re almost the opposite. They don’t want the liability of a pilot with training failures. They let go an older female who had been a captain and a check airmen at a regional airline for many years, for failing one stage check and one type rating check ride.

If he’s telling the truth, they need a whistleblower to blow the lid off of this.
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 5:46 pm
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
13957 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:42 pm to
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All I see is an indication that she had not yet logged enough hours to qualify as PIC
not unlike me or you
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What am I missing here?
a brain?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:48 pm to
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All I see is an indication that she had not yet logged enough hours to qualify as PIC
not unlike me or you
Well, I suspect that I have logged more hours as a pilot that you have, but that is not really the point.

If she has logged only (for example) 1400 hours, she would be 100 hours short of the legal qualification for PIC under an ATP rating, but that would not necessarily equate to "incompetence."

Unless (of course) you consider EVERY pilot holding a Restricted ATP rating to be "incompetent." But that would be a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

So, again, what do you see in that rating information which would lead you to opine that she is "incompetent?"
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 4:54 pm
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
30989 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:50 pm to
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She either flew it or not.
well; it seems like "or not"

she DID NOT manage to fly it...
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
13957 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:53 pm to
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So, again, what do you see in that rating information which would lead you to opine that she is "incompetent?"
i see she did not meet the requirements for pic. Do you think the requirements are just there for shits and giggles? I mean she flew the fricking airplane right into the runway. It's a miracle everyone wasnt killed
Posted by taylork37
Member since Mar 2010
15521 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:59 pm to
Obvious tropes aside....26 YEARS OLD?!?!
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 5:02 pm to
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So, again, what do you see in that rating information which would lead you to opine that she is "incompetent?"
i see she did not meet the requirements for pic.
All that means is that she has not yet logged the requisite number of hours to move up from a Restricted ATP rating to an unrestricted ATP rating. It says absolutely nothing about her technical competence at the yoke of the aircraft.

Yes, the aircraft had a hard landing and subsequent rollover. Perhaps that was pilot error. Perhaps it was something atmospheric. Perhaps there was some other cause. The investigation by the Canadian version of the FAA will eventually answer that question for us.

But you posted only a listing of her license ratings.

So I ask again (for a third time) what you see in THAT information which gives rise to your opinion that she is "incompetent."

I ask again (for the second time) whether you think that EVERY pilot holding a Restricted ATP license is definitionally "incompetent." Because, if you actually believe that, you must believe that about 1/4 of the co-pilots on regional airlines (both male and female) are incompetent. You must be terrified to go anywhere near an airport.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
68793 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 5:03 pm to
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She is not the one that went to Auburn.


If she had gone to Auburn, this probably would not have happened. My neighbor’s son is in the Auburn flight school. It’s legit.
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